public-svg-wg@w3.org from July to September 2008 by thread

ISSUE-2080 (focusable_auto): Clarify focusable=auto [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 30 September)

ISSUE-2079 (audio and rendering): Better specify the effects of audio and rendering [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 30 September)

ISSUE-2078 (font-variant): font-variant in SVGT1.2 and SVG1.1 [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 30 September)

ISSUE-2077 (font-variant-anim): font-variant not animatable [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 30 September)

ACTION-2242 Anthony Grasso (Tuesday, 30 September)

ISSUE-2076 (animatable role): should @role in SVG be animatable? [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 30 September)

ISSUE-2075 (aria prefix): lose the 'aria:' in role attribute examples using WAI-ARIA roles [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 30 September)

ISSUE-2074 (role, ARIA, and metadata): WAI-ARIA use of @role as discussed under 'extensible metadata attributes' [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 30 September)

ACTION-2243 Anthony Grasso (Tuesday, 30 September)

Attending Test Fest Doug Schepers (Sunday, 28 September)

ISSUE-2073 (constrained transformations): inverse and constrained transformations [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Sunday, 28 September)

ISSUE-2072 (XSLT 2): Please add XSLT 2.0 [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Saturday, 27 September)

TPAC Agenda Doug Schepers (Friday, 26 September)

Fixed error in udom-svg-220-t Cameron McCormack (Friday, 26 September)

ISSUE-2071 (filter security): potential security hole involving pointer-events, filters, foreignObject, cross-origin IFRAMEs, and elementFromPoint [SVG Full 1.1] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 25 September)

Possible incompatibilty uDOM <-> SVG 1.1 Erik Dahlström (Wednesday, 24 September)

Agenda, September 25, 2008 telcon Erik Dahlström (Wednesday, 24 September)

ISSUE-2069 (audibility): Consider treating audio separately to graphics [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Wednesday, 24 September)

Scope chain modification for <handler>s Cameron McCormack (Wednesday, 24 September)

SVGT12 testsuite review Erik Dahlström (Tuesday, 23 September)

ISSUE-2068 (focusHighlight inheritable): focusHighlight must be inheritable [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 23 September)

Minutes, SVG telcon Tuesday 23 September 2008 Anthony Grasso (Tuesday, 23 September)

ISSUE-2067 (parameter keywords): Consider adding parameter keyword access without script [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 23 September)

Telcon Agenda, Tuesday Sept 23rd Andrew Emmons (Tuesday, 23 September)

[Fwd: overflow issue with CSS and SVG specs] Doug Schepers (Monday, 22 September)

Re: overflow issue with CSS and SVG specs Dave Singer (Thursday, 18 September)

ISSUE-2066 (datatype): datatype (5.10.1) [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Monday, 22 September)

[D3E] Include mouse capture functionality Cameron McCormack (Monday, 22 September)

ISSUE-2065 (find text): Text selection - but what about Find Text ? [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Monday, 22 September)

[Fwd: topics for TPAC week -- when/where discuss?] Doug Schepers (Sunday, 21 September)

ISSUE-2064 (type or typeof): type or typeof? [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Sunday, 21 September)

ISSUE-2063 (save state): Consider adding API for saving and restoring SVG state [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Saturday, 20 September)

ISSUE-2062 (foreignObject refs): foreignObject content and referenced resource [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Saturday, 20 September)

Ottawa Test Fest information posted Andrew Emmons (Saturday, 20 September)

ISSUE-2061 (video interfaces): play, stop, pause, resume on video [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Friday, 19 September)

Test suite comments Niklas Hagelroth (Friday, 19 September)

ISSUE-2060 (title-desc-tooltip): [1.2T-LC] title and desc example 'title-desc-tooltip.svg' [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 18 September)

Minutes, SVG telcon Thursday 18 September 2008 Anthony Grasso (Thursday, 18 September)

ISSUE-2059 (stroking rectangles): behaviour for behaviour for stroking rectangles [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 18 September)

Agenda, September 18, 2008 telcon Erik Dahlström (Thursday, 18 September)

Late for Thursday's telcon Andrew Emmons (Thursday, 18 September)

ISSUE-2058 (BIDI 'direction'): Lack of BIDI 'direction' [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Wednesday, 17 September)

ISSUE-2057 (CSS text-align): text-align incompatible with CSS [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Wednesday, 17 September)

ISSUE-2056 (Ref to CSS2.1): Consider referring to Instead of linking to CSS2.1 instead of CSS2 [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Wednesday, 17 September)

ISSUE-2055 (evt and event): Define 'evt'/'event' relationship more formally [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Wednesday, 17 September)

ISSUE-2054 (foreignObject w/h): Consider removing the requirement for @width and @height for <foreignObject> [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Wednesday, 17 September)

ISSUE-2053 (requiredExtensions values): Clarify values of requiredExtensions [Last Call: SVG 1.2 Tiny ] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 16 September)

[tracker] Add www-svg to SVG's Tracker Doug Schepers (Tuesday, 16 September)

ISSUE-2052: Develop method to share sections os spec covered by multiple modules SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 16 September)

ISSUE-2051: Develop consistent style guidelines for modules SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 16 September)

Minutes September 16, 2008 telcon Erik Dahlstrom (Tuesday, 16 September)

Dreampark Doug Schepers (Tuesday, 16 September)

Agenda, Tuesday Sept 16th telcon Andrew Emmons (Tuesday, 16 September)

SVG 1.2 Tiny Published! Doug Schepers (Monday, 15 September)

Weird Make Artifact Doug Schepers (Monday, 15 September)

Agenda Request: Review of struct-discard-208-t.svg test Anthony Grasso (Monday, 15 September)

Agenda Request: Fixing the Test Suite [Fwd: Re: SVG 1.2 Tiny: Beta3 of Test Suite Published] Doug Schepers (Sunday, 14 September)

Spec Index Doug Schepers (Saturday, 13 September)

Agenda Request: values of requiredExtensions to use XHTML/MathML Doug Schepers (Saturday, 13 September)

ISSUE-2050 (path subelements): Consider additional path syntax [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Saturday, 13 September)

Publishing SVG 1.2 Tiny Doug Schepers (Saturday, 13 September)

Closing ACTION-2164 Doug Schepers (Friday, 12 September)

updated text-align-202-t Chris Lilley (Friday, 12 September)

Republishing the spec Cameron McCormack (Friday, 12 September)

New Publication of the SVG Tiny 1.2 Test Suite Anthony Grasso (Friday, 12 September)

Closing ACTION-2155, Keyboard Stuff Doug Schepers (Friday, 12 September)

global -> defaultView Niklas Hagelroth (Thursday, 11 September)

Minutes telcon Sept 11, 2008 Erik Dahlstrom (Thursday, 11 September)

Closing ACTION-2143 Doug Schepers (Thursday, 11 September)

Added Conformance Criteria for Search Engines Doug Schepers (Thursday, 11 September)

ISSUE-2049 (stylesheet link): Consider adding an href to the style element to link to external stylesheets [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Wednesday, 10 September)

Closing ACTION-2185 Doug Schepers (Wednesday, 10 September)

Closing ACTION-2132 Doug Schepers (Tuesday, 9 September)

Minutes, 9 Sept 2008 SVG WG telcon Chris Lilley (Tuesday, 9 September)

Closing ACTION-2099 Chris Lilley (Tuesday, 9 September)

Draft agenda, telcon Sept 9, 2008 Erik Dahlström (Tuesday, 9 September)

ISSUE-2048 (microformats attributes): Consider adding certain HTML attributes used in microformats [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Monday, 8 September)

loadend event Re: [ProgressEvents] Charles McCathieNevile (Monday, 8 September)

[ProgressEvents] 'loadend' progressevent (Was: Re: [ProgressEvents]) Erik Dahlström (Monday, 8 September)

ISSUE-2047 (namedcolors): Using author-defined named colors where <color> can be specified [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Monday, 8 September)

Regrets for telcons this week Cameron McCormack (Monday, 8 September)

New contact information Andrew Emmons (Sunday, 7 September)

[ProgressEvents] Erik Dahlström (Sunday, 7 September)

My part of the DOM 2 Events migration done Cameron McCormack (Sunday, 7 September)

udom-event-201-t updated Cameron McCormack (Sunday, 7 September)

Remove "DOM3 event category" column of the events table in Interactivity Cameron McCormack (Sunday, 7 September)

Event capture Cameron McCormack (Saturday, 6 September)

Review of script-handler-201-t.svg and script-handler-202.svg Niklas Hagelroth (Friday, 5 September)

SVG Tiny 1.2 Test Suite Reference Image Summary Anthony Grasso (Friday, 5 September)

OpenGIS entry in references Cameron McCormack (Friday, 5 September)

uDOM changes for Global/AbstractView/etc. Cameron McCormack (Friday, 5 September)

Minutes, SVG telcon Thursday 4 September 2008 Anthony Grasso (Thursday, 4 September)

<script> element processing proposed text Cameron McCormack (Thursday, 4 September)

Agenda, telcon Sept 4, 2008 Erik Dahlström (Wednesday, 3 September)

Regrets for Tuesday Andrew And Tracy Emmons (Tuesday, 2 September)

Pragmas and extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL Cameron McCormack (Wednesday, 3 September)

Remove SVGGlobal::parent Cameron McCormack (Wednesday, 3 September)

Remove Document::implementation and DOMImplementation from uDOM Cameron McCormack (Wednesday, 3 September)

ISSUE-2046 (negative_startoffset): Allow negative startOffset for textPath elements [SVG Full 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 2 September)

ISSUE-2045 (fallback): Consider adding fallback behavior [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Monday, 1 September)

Rename Timer? Cameron McCormack (Monday, 1 September)

Minutes, SVG Nuremberg Face-to-Face Day 3, Sunday 23 August 2008 Doug Schepers (Monday, 1 September)

ISSUE-2044 (svg-dom-enh): Consider improving the SVG DOM interfaces for attribute access [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 28 August)

ISSUE-2043 (References in spec): Make all references to TRs use dated URLs [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Wednesday, 27 August)

ISSUE-2042 (XLink-less Linking ): Consider adding adding non-NS linking syntax [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Wednesday, 27 August)

Make Broken, Make Less Broken Doug Schepers (Monday, 25 August)

Minutes, SVG Nuremberg Face-to-Face Day 4, Sunday 24 August 2008 Cameron McCormack (Sunday, 24 August)

ISSUE-2041 (whitespace-textarea): Revisit and define how whitespaces are consumed in textArea [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Sunday, 24 August)

Single page spec Cameron McCormack (Sunday, 24 August)

ISSUE-2040 (image fallback): Consider adding placeholders or fallback for unresolved resources [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Sunday, 24 August)

ISSUE-2039 (whitespace): Consider using CSS whitespace property instead of xml:space [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Saturday, 23 August)

ISSUE-2038 (switch-cond-attrs): Description of conditional processing attributes inconsistent [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Saturday, 23 August)

Urgent: How to fix up references to XMLRIs Cameron McCormack (Saturday, 23 August)

Make SVG WG tracker monitor CVS commit mailing list Cameron McCormack (Saturday, 23 August)

ISSUE-2037 (focushighlight-inheritance): Define how focusHighlight is applied when put on a container element [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Saturday, 23 August)

Minutes, SVG Nuremberg Face-to-Face Day 2, Friday 22 August 2008 Cameron McCormack (Friday, 22 August)

ISSUE-2036 (Paced animation: Section 2): Paced animation: Inconsistencies [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Friday, 22 August)

ISSUE-2035 (Paced animation - Section 1): Unnecessary assertion [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Friday, 22 August)

ISSUE-2034 (Paced animation - Section 7): Interpretation of some given formulas missing [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Friday, 22 August)

Minutes, SVG Nuremberg Face-to-Face Day 1, Thursday 21 August 2008 Anthony Grasso (Thursday, 21 August)

Related to ISSUE-2031 Erik Dahlström (Thursday, 21 August)

ISSUE-2033 (hasfeature): Require DOM hasFeature with svg featurestrings (like in SVG 1.1) [SVG Core 2.0] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 21 August)

ISSUE-2029 (stroke-dasharray-spaces): 'stroke-dasharray' should allow space separation? [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 21 August)

ISSUE-2032 (paced-anim-complex): SVGT 1.2; 16.2.6 Paced animation and complex types [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 21 August)

ISSUE-2031 (focus-remove-element): Focus change event when elements are removed from the rendering tree [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 21 August)

ISSUE-2030 (feature-string-discrepancy): features string discrepency mobile vs 1.1 [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 21 August)

ISSUE-2028 (additive-interpolable-anim): Does additive also mean interpolable for animations? [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 21 August)

SVG Test Fest F2F in Ottowa Doug Schepers (Thursday, 21 August)

Coordinate system stuff Cameron McCormack (Monday, 18 August)

Minutes, SVG telcon Thursday 14 August 2008 Anthony Grasso (Thursday, 14 August)

Agenda, August 14th, 2008 Andrew Emmons (Thursday, 14 August)

Element Traversal Spec is in CR Doug Schepers (Thursday, 14 August)

[wbs] response to 'Registration for the F2F meeting of the SVG Working Group (2008-09-29/2008-10-02 in Ottawa)' WBS Mailer on behalf of schepers@w3.org (Thursday, 14 August)

Test for runtime synchronization attributes Andrew Emmons (Tuesday, 12 August)

Added test for SVGSVGElement.moveFocus() Andrew Emmons (Tuesday, 12 August)

prefetch test added Andrew Emmons (Tuesday, 12 August)

ISSUE-2027: Missing viewBox on externally reference SVG files [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 12 August)

Value of SVGElement::id when both id="" and xml:id="" are specified Cameron McCormack (Tuesday, 12 August)

Test attributes on <discard> Cameron McCormack (Monday, 11 August)

Test attributes on <tbreak> Cameron McCormack (Monday, 11 August)

Test attributes on non-rendering elements; styling changes Cameron McCormack (Monday, 11 August)

Adding reference to Authoritative Metadata TAG finding Cameron McCormack (Monday, 11 August)

SVGT 1.2 edit action leaderboard Andrew Emmons (Monday, 11 August)

Lacuna values Cameron McCormack (Sunday, 10 August)

Negative values for width="" and height="" on <svg> and <image> Cameron McCormack (Saturday, 9 August)

Guide for referencing W3C TRs Cameron McCormack (Saturday, 9 August)

Cleaned up types chapter Cameron McCormack (Friday, 8 August)

The <xslt-qname> type Cameron McCormack (Friday, 8 August)

XMLRIs, IRIs and LEIRIs Cameron McCormack (Friday, 8 August)

Minutes, SVG telcon Thursday 7 August 2008 Anthony Grasso (Thursday, 7 August)

ISSUE-2026 (Animate Class): Need Test Ensuring that 'class' is Animatable [Test Suite - SVG Full 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 7 August)

Agenda August 7th, 2008 telcon Andrew Emmons (Thursday, 7 August)

Re: (PFWG) ACTION-211 Query re: SVG Request for @order for Access Module Shane McCarron (Wednesday, 6 August)

Re: (PFWG) ACTION-211 Query re: SVG Request for @order for Access Module Gregory J. Rosmaita (Wednesday, 6 August)

Marathon telcon date Andrew Emmons (Wednesday, 6 August)

Marathon telcon date Andrew Emmons (Wednesday, 6 August)

ISSUE-2025 (Test Harness): Adapt to Mobile Web Test Harness [All] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Friday, 1 August)

Telcon Cancelled? Doug Schepers (Thursday, 31 July)

Regrets Cameron McCormack (Wednesday, 30 July)

ISSUE-2024 (SVG in Image): Elements for which "defer" can be used in preserveAspectRatio="" [SVG Full 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Tuesday, 29 July)

"struct-class-201-t.svg" Created Doug Schepers (Tuesday, 29 July)

struct-cond-211-t.svg created Chris Lilley (Tuesday, 29 July)

ISSUE-2023 (Unresolved Resources In Error): Should unresolved resources be categorized as "unsupported values" or "in error"? [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Saturday, 26 July)

Proposed Text for Unresolved Resources Doug Schepers (Saturday, 26 July)

ISSUE-2022 (link-activation-behavior): The activation behaviour of <a> elements should be defined [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Friday, 25 July)

Minutes, 24 July 2008 SVG telcon Chris Lilley (Thursday, 24 July)

Agenda July 24, 2008 telcon Erik Dahlström (Thursday, 24 July)

Regrets Andrew Emmons (Thursday, 24 July)

More thoughts on when <script>s get run Cameron McCormack (Thursday, 24 July)

Moved SVG Testsuite HowTo Doug Schepers (Wednesday, 23 July)

[Fwd: Re: ISSUE-41: Decentralized extensibility] Doug Schepers (Wednesday, 23 July)

Test Fest hosting by BitFlash confirmed Andrew Emmons (Tuesday, 22 July)

Minutes, July 22, 2008 telcon Erik Dahlstrom (Tuesday, 22 July)

Agenda, Tuesday July 22nd telcon Andrew Emmons (Tuesday, 22 July)

Whitspace/comma separation in lists Cameron McCormack (Tuesday, 22 July)

Re: Minutes, telcon Apr 10, 2008 Cameron McCormack (Monday, 21 July)

Progress Report on Test Coverage Doug Schepers (Sunday, 20 July)

textInput and KeyboardEvent Tests Complete Doug Schepers (Friday, 18 July)

ISSUE-2021 (image-bbox): Bounding box of <image> subject to aspect-ratio preservation undefined [SVG Tiny 1.2] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Friday, 18 July)

Elements for which "defer" can be used in preserveAspectRatio="" Cameron McCormack (Friday, 18 July)

Regrets, Tuesday 17 July telcon Anthony Grasso (Thursday, 17 July)

Trailing semicolon in values="" erratum for 1.1? Cameron McCormack (Thursday, 17 July)

Timer test created Andrew Emmons (Thursday, 17 July)

Tests for binaryToString() and parseXML() added Cameron McCormack (Thursday, 17 July)

Attempting to encode a bad DOMString with stringToBinary() Cameron McCormack (Thursday, 17 July)

Progress Event tests submitted Andrew Emmons (Wednesday, 16 July)

Agenda July 17, 2008 telcon Erik Dahlström (Wednesday, 16 July)

Updated coverage for scripting chapter Erik Dahlström (Wednesday, 16 July)

Unwanted restriction for JPEG images that have colour profiles. Chris Lilley (Wednesday, 16 July)

Does Connection::send() block? Cameron McCormack (Tuesday, 15 July)

Minutes, SVG teclon Tuesday 15th July 2008 Anthony Grasso (Tuesday, 15 July)

CVS commit messages Cameron McCormack (Tuesday, 15 July)

Agenda, Tuesday July 15th telcon Andrew Emmons (Monday, 14 July)

Re: Patch for Acid3 test 77 (SVGTextContentElement errata) Erik Dahlström (Monday, 14 July)

Agenda requests Cameron McCormack (Monday, 14 July)

SVG Tiny 1.2 spec now in public CVS Cameron McCormack (Monday, 14 July)

ISSUE-2015 (SVG Duration): Should the svg element provide a duration element? [All] SVG Working Group Issue Tracker (Thursday, 10 July)

Proposed Agenda Doug Schepers (Thursday, 10 July)

Proposed SVG WG Review of XHTML Access Module Doug Schepers (Thursday, 10 July)

Agenda, Tuesaday July 8, 2008 Andrew Emmons (Tuesday, 8 July)

Fw: SVG Paint Servers for HTML Cameron McCormack (Tuesday, 8 July)

animate-elem-60-t.svg and animate-elem-62-t.svg using wallclock Andrew Emmons (Monday, 7 July)

error in paint-nsstroke-202-t.svg Andrew Emmons (Monday, 7 July)

paint-other-202-t.svg regression Andrew Emmons (Monday, 7 July)

error in (draft) test struct-discard-202-t.svg Andrew Emmons (Monday, 7 July)

Current state of spec generation tools Cameron McCormack (Monday, 7 July)

Re: Agenda Request: SVG WG Review of XHTML Access Module Doug Schepers (Saturday, 5 July)

Made non-finite floats throw NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR Cameron McCormack (Friday, 4 July)

Use of org.w3c.svg package in Java bindings Cameron McCormack (Friday, 4 July)

Re: ISSUE-2009 (Broken Schema): Broken Schema for SVG 1.2 Tiny [SVG Tiny 1.2] Chris Lilley (Tuesday, 24 June)

Nuremberg F2F reminder Erik Dahlstrom (Thursday, 3 July)

Minutes, SVG telcon Thursday 3 July 2008 Anthony Grasso (Thursday, 3 July)

Testing animation of empty string values Cameron McCormack (Thursday, 3 July)

Agenda request Andrew Emmons (Wednesday, 2 July)

Regrets This Week Doug Schepers (Tuesday, 1 July)

RE: Agenda, July 1, 2008 telcon Andrew Emmons (Tuesday, 1 July)

Last message date: Tuesday, 30 September 2008 20:58:40 UTC