- From: Cameron McCormack <cam@mcc.id.au>
- Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:06:22 +1000
- To: public-svg-wg@w3.org
http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
17 Jul 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0047.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Anthony
Chair
Erik
Scribe
Andrew Emmons
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]SVGTextContentElement errata (ISSUE-2008)
2. [6]SVGTransformList.consolidate, and clarifications of
insertItemBefore and replaceItem
3. [7]Clarify liveness of setMatrix and
createSVGTransformFromMatrix methods
4. [8]Timeline for 1.1SE publication/review (and move of
errata into public cvs)
5. [9]SVG in HTML feedback
6. [10]Testsuite
* [11]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 17 July 2008
<scribe> Scribe: Andrew Emmons
SVGTextContentElement errata (ISSUE-2008)
ED: It was changed slightly to be more similar to selecet substring
... Not exactly what Hixie was asking for
... We have 3 errata items, you're saying they are done already?
<ed_>
[12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xm
l#svgtextcontentelement-characters
[12] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xml#svgtextcontentelement-characters
CM: First one was adding the UTF-16 code unit language
ED: Looks OK
... I suggest we move it to proposed
DS: No objection
RESOLUTION: Will accept UTF-16 errata item for
SVGTextContentElement, moved to proposed
<ed_>
[13]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xm
l#svgtextcontentelement-getnumberofchars
[13] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xml#svgtextcontentelement-getnumberofchars
ED: Next is getNumberOfChars erratum
CM: Was an existing one, took reference out because it is handled by
the general paragraph in the previous errata
ED: Ok
CM: Brought it back from proposed for this change
ED: Looks good, any objections?
DS: No
RESOLUTION: Will move getNUmberofChars erratum back to proposed
<ed_>
[14]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xm
l#svgtextcontentelement_clarifications
[14] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xml#svgtextcontentelement_clarifications
CM: I added a bit where it mentions getting half of a pair
ED: Looks ok
... That was the only change you made?
<ed_>
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/003
0.html
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0030.html
CM: Yes
ED: I made other changes before that
... There were comments on this
... Does it clamp or give an exception
... Was changed before to not throw an exception
... But, with the current wording you can get an exception in a
given case
DS: I did not find that case compelling
<ed_>
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/003
8.html
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0038.html
<ed_>
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/004
0.html
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0040.html
<ed_>
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/004
1.html
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0041.html
CM: Now, always throwing unless you start invalid and run off the
end
ED: Could make a special case for 0 as the number of characters
CM: I can't see it being more consistent one way or another
... Can't think of a good reason whyit would be either way in
particular
ED: If you do select substring you really want to know a selection
is made, a reason to have exception there
... But getSubString you're really expecting a value back
... I would be more in favor of not throwing an exception, but also
do not feel it is that critical, could leave as is
... So, we'll leave this one open for more feedback/thought by the
group
<shepazu> [19]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Agenda
[19] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Agenda
<shepazu> oops
<shepazu> Issue: find sane values for getSubStringLength and
selectSubString
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-2017 - Find sane values for
getSubStringLength and selectSubString ; please complete additional
details at
[20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2017/edit .
[20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2017/edit
<scribe> ACTION: CM to move first two SVGTextContentElement errata
to proposed [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - CM
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or
username (eg. charles, cmccorma)
<scribe> ACTION: Heycam to move first two SVGTextContentElement
errata to proposed [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2101 - Move first two
SVGTextContentElement errata to proposed [on Cameron McCormack - due
2008-07-24].
<ed_>
[23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xm
l#mention-live-values
[23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xml#mention-live-values
SVGTransformList.consolidate, and clarifications of insertItemBefore
and replaceItem
ED: Is an old one
... I made this clarification based on feedback by JS
... Have a test case
<ed_>
[24]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/ua-tests/insertItemB
efore.svg
[24] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/ua-tests/insertItemBefore.svg
ED: insertItemBefore has the same issue
<ed_>
[25]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/test-case
s/consolidate.svg
[25] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/test-cases/consolidate.svg
ED: Second change,consolidate returns a new object
... Any problems with moving this to proposed?
RESOLUTION: Will move SVGTransformList.consolidate, and
clarifications of insertItemBefore and replaceItem errata to
proposed
<ed_>
[26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xm
l#setmatrix_createsvgtransformfrommatrix
[26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xml#setmatrix_createsvgtransformfrommatrix
Clarify liveness of setMatrix and createSVGTransformFromMatrix methods
ED: Are these live or not?
... Partially related to the previous one
... DOes this look ok?
... Proposed resolution is to just copy the values, do not adopt
SVGMatrix object
... Robert seemed OK with this change
... All implementations I tested behaved this way
CM: SOunds good
RESOLUTION: Move Clarify liveness of setMatrix and
createSVGTransformFromMatrix methods errata to proposed
Timeline for 1.1SE publication/review (and move of errata into public
cvs)
ED: I want to get the spec out that incorporates all of the errata -
to have it out of they way to move on to other things
DS: Sounds like a good plan
... What timeline do you think is reasonable
ED: Anthony has done part of this work already, wanted to get status
<ed_> ACTION: Move the setmatrix_createsvgtransformfrommatrix and
mention-live-values to proposed [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Move
<ed_> ACTION: ed to Move the setmatrix_createsvgtransformfrommatrix
and mention-live-values to proposed [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2102 - Move the
setmatrix_createsvgtransformfrommatrix and mention-live-values to
proposed [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-07-24].
DS: Perhaps move to Tuesday?
... Would be nice for SVG Open
SVG in HTML feedback
ED: We have some feedback already
... I would say it is fairly positive
DS: Fairly
ED: Are comments, some parts not perfect, some wrong, etc
... I have made some update to the proposal
<ed_>
[29]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/proposals/svg-html/svg-html-proposal.html
[29] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/proposals/svg-html/svg-html-proposal.html
ED: This was raised in the bug tracker for HTML WG
... Not sure if there is group discussion yet
DS: They do not typically have discussions at this level
... Usually not low level stuff
... My concern is that - either no discussion happens and Hixie can
do what he wants or,
... ( done in a way that is not in the spirit of the proposal )
... Or, delays and does nothing and people implement towards that
... Which has happened already
AE: Which is why we watned it out of an editors draft in the first
place
DS: We need to be pro-active to make sure it is handled in a timely
fashion so that the final proposal acceptable by the HTML WG is
implemented, not the commented out previous proposal
<shepazu>
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0197.htm
l
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0197.html
DS: It is interesting - an e-mail by Chris Wilson regarding this
<ed_>
[31]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/proposals/svg-html/svg-html-proposa
l.html
[31] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/proposals/svg-html/svg-html-proposal.html
ED: If we can have a look at the change log for the proposal
<ed_>
[32]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/proposals/svg-html/svg-html-proposa
l.html.diff?r1=1.11&r2=1.12&f=h
[32] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/proposals/svg-html/svg-html-proposal.html.diff?r1=1.11&r2=1.12&f=h
ED: One comment from JS, I now defined SVG previx on SVG root
element
<ed_>
[33]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/proposals/svg-html/svg-html-proposa
l.html.diff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13&f=h
[33] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/proposals/svg-html/svg-html-proposal.html.diff?r1=1.12&r2=1.13&f=h
ED: Next is feedback from implementer of previous proposal
... GOod feedback
... Took some of his comments and incorperated them into the
proposal
<ed_>
[34]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/proposals/svg-html/svg-html-proposa
l.html.diff?r1=1.13&r2=1.14&f=h
[34] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/proposals/svg-html/svg-html-proposal.html.diff?r1=1.13&r2=1.14&f=h
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to e-mail specific feedback responses and also
to e-mail new updated proposal to www and html lists, given links to
live doc and diff [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2103 - E-mail specific feedback responses
and also to e-mail new updated proposal to www and html lists, given
links to live doc and diff [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-07-24].
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to nag HTML WG about proposal [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2104 - Nag HTML WG about proposal [on Doug
Schepers - due 2008-07-24].
Testsuite
ED: Saw a few tests created, good
<ed_>
[37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/004
6.html
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0046.html
ED: I went through scripting coverage a bit
... Added 1 test for listener element
... Testing that no special handling of listener element
... I will continue making tests in this area
... AE, you added a few?
AE: Yes, added a few progress event tests and a timer test. Will now
work on runtime sync tests
DS: I added a draft of mine in CVS
CM: I added some SVGGlobal tests
... binaryToString one needs close attention
... ParseXML Batik's implementation is simple, matches what ASV used
to do
... Tests tricky XML 1.1 stuff as well
<heycam>
[38]http://www.w3.org/mid/20080717004454.GA10624@arc.mcc.id.au
[38] http://www.w3.org/mid/20080717004454.GA10624@arc.mcc.id.au
AE: Your suggestion sounds reasonable
<scribe> ACTION: Update stringToBinary to add ENCODING_ERR when
invalid UTF-16 DOMString is used [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Update
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron Update stringToBinary to add ENCODING_ERR
when invalid UTF-16 DOMString is used [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2105 - Update stringToBinary to add
ENCODING_ERR when invalid UTF-16 DOMString is used [on Cameron
McCormack - due 2008-07-24].
[41]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestCoverage
[41] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestCoverage
<shepazu>
[42]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-220-t.sv
g and
[43]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-230-t.sv
g
[42] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-220-t.svg
[43] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-230-t.svg
DS: One of my tests - I would like to discuss
... CM had written a test for textEvent
<shepazu>
[44]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-207-t.sv
g
[44] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-207-t.svg
DS: I made 220 and 230 to fill in the gaps
... WIth this, press SHIFT key, claims it passes but not quite
correct
... textInput not just keyboard - voice, clipboard could use text
... keyboard is different
CM: I'd say this is a bug in Batik
DS: We should specify that it is not a keyboard thing
... Should only say it is character values
... How would you test for that?
... perhaps check all range of characters
CM: Tough thing to test, yes
DS: Good enough as is for a positive test, not a good negative test
CM: Not sure it is possible to test an event is not sent if no text
is available
AE: Could update the pass criteria
CM: Yes
DS: Yes
... Add a second pass criteria
<ed_> DOMCharacterDataModified
<ed_>
[45]http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Events/events.html#Events-Mutat
ionEvent
[45] http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Events/events.html#Events-MutationEvent
DS: I should point out what the relationship is
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron Update stringToBinary to add ENCODING_ERR when
invalid UTF-16 DOMString is used [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: CM to move first two SVGTextContentElement errata to
proposed [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to nag HTML WG about proposal [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to Move the setmatrix_createsvgtransformfrommatrix
and mention-live-values to proposed [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to e-mail specific feedback responses and also to
e-mail new updated proposal to www and html lists, given links to
live doc and diff [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Heycam to move first two SVGTextContentElement errata
to proposed [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Move the setmatrix_createsvgtransformfrommatrix and
mention-live-values to proposed [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Update stringToBinary to add ENCODING_ERR when invalid
UTF-16 DOMString is used [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/17-svg-minutes.html#action07]
[End of minutes]
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