- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:58:42 +1000
- To: W3C SVG Public Working Group <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - SVG Working Group Teleconference 04 Sep 2008 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0210.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-irc Attendees Present ed, anthony, Doug_Schepers, heycam, nhagelro, aemmons, ChrisL Regrets Chair Erik Scribe anthony Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Action Update 2. [6]Test Suite 3. [7]Removing Document::Implementation http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSe p/0204.html 4. [8]Pragmas and extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL * [9]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 04 September 2008 <scribe> scribe: anthony <scribe> scribeNick: anthony Action Update <ed> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/2 [10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/2 ED: We can see all the open actions we have ... not all of these are vital to fix ACTION-2024 <ed> [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2024 [11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2024 <heycam> ACTION-2024? <trackbot> ACTION-2024 -- Doug Schepers to add wording to the specification that content with circular references is not conformant -- due 2008-05-27 -- OPEN <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2024 [12] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2024 ED: Action-2024 might be important DS: I think I may have already done that ... if not I know what needs to be done ... I'll be closing that this week CM: When I was working on the refs section this week ... what was it about? DS: It was about content ... to say authors shouldn't do that ... it was specified for implementations ACTION-2063? <trackbot> ACTION-2063 -- Cameron McCormack to fix the spec by aligning the script element behavior with HTMLs script element behavior -- due 2008-06-19 -- OPEN <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2063 [13] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2063 CM: I just came up with something this afternoon ... that is pretty much what we discussed ... and what Maciej said ED: Do you have a link for the proposed text? <ed> [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/021 3.html [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0213.html ED: I haven't had time to read I through ... perhaps we should wait ... that's pending for now ACTION-2014? <trackbot> ACTION-2014 -- Chris Lilley to review font-family selection e-mail, bring issues back to the group for discussion -- due 2008-05-20 -- OPEN <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2014 [15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2014 CL: I've looked at that ... don't think there will be any changes to the spec ... I think it's just an explanation required ED: Is the schema something we need to do before we publish? DS: Something we can do while we are in last call <ChrisL> Just explaining why we can't assume that there is a font with a glyph for 'a' on the system 9even though there almost always is) ACTION-2107? <trackbot> ACTION-2107 -- Cameron McCormack to update the 1.2T spec with the reworded section on progressive rendering and tree construction -- due 2008-07-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2107 [16] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2107 CM: Was about when nodes get inserted into the tree ... when parsing ED: Well if you know what needs to be done ... then we can continue ACTION-2131? <trackbot> ACTION-2131 -- Cameron McCormack to propose text regarding issue-274 (when animations can be interpolated) -- due 2008-08-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2131 [17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2131 CM: This one I thought we postponed ... I must no have changed the product ED: I'll change it now ACTION-2132? <trackbot> ACTION-2132 -- Doug Schepers to propose text for UA indication in case a link is in scope -- due 2008-08-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2132 [18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2132 DS: Pretty minor, will be doing that today ... the same for 2133 ACTION-2148? <trackbot> ACTION-2148 -- Doug Schepers to take up ISSUE-2031 with the HTML WG -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN <trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2148 [19] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2148 DS: I did send something to them ... but there hasn't been a reply ... I'll also ask Ian ACTION-2155? <trackbot> ACTION-2155 -- Doug Schepers to add the keyboard events from DOM 3 Events to an SVGT12 appendix -- due 2008-08-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2155 [20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2155 ED: About adding keyboard events DS: I've started doing that ... I noticed that we already have the stuff in there ... but we also refer to DOM 3 Events ... We said we were sub-setting things from DOM 3 Events ... I may or may not keep the sub-setting part ... I'll have that done this week ACTION-2156? <trackbot> ACTION-2156 -- Cameron McCormack to fix transition from DOM 3 Events to DOM 2 Events and uDOM, and to fix testsuite -- due 2008-08-29 -- OPEN <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2156 [21] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2156 CM: This one which is changing the rest of the spec to refer to DOM 2 ... and remove DOM 3 refs ... I was waiting for Doug to be done CL: DOM 3 Events is not in the refs section ... and neither is DOM 2 ... I was editing the references today ... Element traversal is a working progress ... what's happening with it? DS: In CR ... multiple implementations ... just need to create a test suite CL: That's the only one that says working progress in our normative refs ED: What's the status of the test suite? DS: There is none ... once I finish my SVG edit actions ... I'll make one ED: Ok ACTION-2159? <trackbot> ACTION-2159 -- Erik Dahlström to do progress event name change to Tiny 1.2 -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN <trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2159 [22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2159 ED: I committed the event name changes ... for SVGPreLoad and SVGProgress ... I have to ask Charles to see if we can get a common name for SVGPostLoad ... so I guess that's the only thing left ... I'd prefer if the event names were in some form of alignment ... I think it would be useful to have it in the progress events spec as well ... I'll be asking Charles because he's the editor of the progress events spec ACTION-2164? <trackbot> ACTION-2164 -- Doug Schepers to add 'role' attribute (and informative reference to XHTML Role attribute module) and to change the content model of the title and desc elements to be text -- due 2008-08-30 -- OPEN <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2164 [23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2164 DS: I have added role and title ... I've done this ... but waiting for feedback ... on title ... from Dr Olaf and Jeff ACTION-2174? <trackbot> ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this' keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 -- OPEN <trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174 [24] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174 ED: I had a look at what Opera is doing for this one ... and I'm wondering if this is a good action ... Opera treats the element handler sort of like script element ... but we don't bind this ... or the arguments ... it's not really like a function in Opera ... if you define a variable in the handler it won't be defined anywhere else CM: That's different to what Batik does ED: I can see the point to having it as it is ... although that's not what Opera is doing currently ... it could be changed ... but I don't know when I'll get time CM: Would be nice to see what other players do <ed> [25]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-handler-201- t.svg [25] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-handler-201-t.svg ED: So it's testing the keywords ... and scoping and so on CM: That test the arguments? ED: I think that was 202 ... I would prefer if more implementers have more comments on this? NH: We fail the first ... it's not equal to document ... I'm not really sure I'll have to investigate this ED: I guess I can postpone this ... and wait for feedback on the public list NH: Both tests? ED: Yes both ACTION-2176? <trackbot> ACTION-2176 -- Cameron McCormack to replace Global with Abstract View and add the reference -- due 2008-08-31 -- OPEN <trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2176 [26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2176 AG: You sent an email about this? CM: I did haven't had any replies about it <heycam> [27]http://www.w3.org/mid/20080903060135.GD21745@arc.mcc.id.au [27] http://www.w3.org/mid/20080903060135.GD21745@arc.mcc.id.au <shepazu> [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/020 6.html [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0206.html DS: The last wording there ... that's pretty much derived from HTML5 right? CM: Yes same sort of thing ... I guess it's not really necessary for us to go into the Window object ED: What exactly is your suggestion? NH: Your last sentence in the email ... we can leave but shouldn't be SVGGlobal ... necessary for us to keep ... current content will not work CM: So they are saying gobal.document.parsexml NH: We do that CM: Could be left in without any problem ... if you leave that in then you don't need default view ... maybe we could subset DOM 2 Views a bit ED: I guess sub-setting would be cleaner NH: what would SVGGlobal inherit from? CM: I'd think I'd prefer it not to inherit ED: In that case is that enough information to go doing this action? CM: That was not what the original action was to do ... it was just to replace Global with Abstract View ED: Would referring to DOM 2 Views be ok ... subset that CM: I has no impact on what properties are around ... just the structure NH: I think I'm fine with that ... can you send an email with what you're going to introduce? DS: Might be easier to make the change and send the link CL: As long as it doesn't effect content <heycam> [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/020 6.html [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0206.html NH: You're going to remove parent? CM: No moving it DS: Will this still satisfy the browser vendors? CM: Don't know, but it will satisfy them more than before ... I could ask see what they think RESOLUTION: Do what it says in the email sent Cameron regarding removal of SVGGlobal::parent, except don't add Default View and leave the Global attribute CM: I can just continue my current action ACTION-2179? <trackbot> ACTION-2179 -- Cameron McCormack to move timer from Global to the SVG Module and remove the Global Module -- due 2008-08-31 -- OPEN <trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2179 [30] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2179 CM: I did this one ... but I left it open because of the question about SVGTimer ED: If we are keeping it I'd prefer it to be moved to SVGTimer CM: The name does not change the content AG: Is that ok? NH: I'm happy with that CM: What's the name of the event? ... SVGTimer is the event type ED: That's the last of the open actions set for Tiny ... I guess we should try to decide a deadline date for edits ... Doug you'll probably know the publication schedule ... is next Friday ok? DS: Shooting for publication date of next Friday ... needs to be done well before then, 2 or 3 days before then ... everyone should have action items done before the 11th <ChrisL> publication moratorium for tpac <ChrisL> 13 October, 12pm ET: Deadline for publication requests <ChrisL> before moratorium <ChrisL> 16 October: Last publications before moratorium <ChrisL> 17 - 26 October: No publications <ChrisL> 27 October: Publications resume Test Suite CL: I sent an email before about XMLRI ... I've finished that now DS: Fantastic ED: We need to make a publication of the test suite ... need to make sure the reference images are correct ... we didn't make any in the last f2f ... still a bit of work there AE: Do we still rely on Batik to make some of the automatic reference images? ED: I think so ... but you can drop any other binary in there ... as long as the syntax is correct ... we could use Inkscape but it wont work on any scripting ones AE: Do we have an idea of how Batik goes on some of the new tests? CM: Not very well AE: We'll probably need some patch images made ... it looks like Anthony and I to do the test suite stuff <heycam> trackbot, close ACTION-2179 <trackbot> ACTION-2179 Move timer from Global to the SVG Module and remove the Global Module closed AG: I can generate a new version of the test suite and create the images ED: So this has to be done when? ... same time as the spec? DS: I'd prefer it be done before? ED: I think we do have a bunch of actions left on the test suite ... but we still need to publish on a regular basis ... even if we still haven't finished all the actions we should still go ahead AE: I think turning the crank on this DS: Monday or Tuesday we should have the test suite ready Removing Document::Implementation [31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0204.h tml [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0204.html ED: If we have some empty interfaces I don't see any reason to keep them around ... unless I hear something about keeping them around ... Cameron you can go ahead and remove them CM: It's a pretty useless thing to have if there is nothing on the interfaces AG: I'm ok with it NH: I'm fine with it DS: I'm fine with it <scribe> ACTION: Cameron to remove Document:Implementation from the interface and the DOM implementation interface [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2182 - Remove Document:Implementation from the interface and the DOM implementation interface [on Cameron McCormack - due 2008-09-11]. Pragmas and extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL <ed> [33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/020 7.html [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0207.html CM: I could find nothing on the web about these particular names ... who worked on most of the uDOM at the start? ... I can only assume there are some IDL compiler specific things ED: If there is no definition of what it does then I don't see a reason to keep it around AG: So you'll just remove it from the IDL? CM: Ok <scribe> ACTION: Cameron to Remove the square-bracketted extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2183 - Remove the square-bracketted extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL [on Cameron McCormack - due 2008-09-11]. ED: I didn't notice anyone with an action to do the change log ... and we cannot do it before all the changes are done CM: Someone can start ... we were thinking at the F2F to add links of the diffs from the previous publication ED: I guess that's fine for catching everything ... we also discussed getting a high level description of the change ... I did write a script for getting the diff version ... so it will fetch of all the diff HTML pages <ed> [35]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/tools/htmldiff/ [35] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/tools/htmldiff/ CM: It would be nice if someone who has time to go through and do that ED: I've committed a small tool for getting all the diffs DS: Let me do my editing actions this week <scribe> ACTION: Doug to Make sure have the HTML diff marked pages from the spec in the changes chapter [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2184 - Make sure have the HTML diff marked pages from the spec in the changes chapter [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-11]. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Cameron to remove Document:Implementation from the interface and the DOM implementation interface [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Cameron to Remove the square-bracketted extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Doug to Make sure have the HTML diff marked pages from the spec in the changes chapter [recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action03] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [40]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([41]CVS log) $Date: 2008/09/04 11:55:40 $ _________________________________________________________ [40] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [41] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.133 of Date: 2008/01/18 18:48:51 Check for newer version at [42]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002 /scribe/ [42] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/SVGKeyLoad/SVGPreLoad/ Succeeded: s/SVTimer/SVGTimer/ Succeeded: s/change/ does not change/ Succeeded: s/difs/diffs/ Found Scribe: anthony Inferring ScribeNick: anthony Found ScribeNick: anthony Default Present: ed, anthony, Doug_Schepers, heycam, nhagelro, aemmons, ChrisL Present: ed anthony Doug_Schepers heycam nhagelro aemmons ChrisL Agenda: [43]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSe p/0210.html Found Date: 04 Sep 2008 Guessing minutes URL: [44]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html People with action items: cameron doug [43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0210.html [44] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html End of [45]scribe.perl diagnostic output] [45] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
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