- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:58:42 +1000
- To: W3C SVG Public Working Group <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
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SVG Working Group Teleconference
04 Sep 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0210.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
ed, anthony, Doug_Schepers, heycam, nhagelro, aemmons, ChrisL
Regrets
Chair
Erik
Scribe
anthony
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Action Update
2. [6]Test Suite
3. [7]Removing Document::Implementation
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSe
p/0204.html
4. [8]Pragmas and extended attributes at the top of the uDOM
IDL
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 04 September 2008
<scribe> scribe: anthony
<scribe> scribeNick: anthony
Action Update
<ed> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/2
[10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/2
ED: We can see all the open actions we have
... not all of these are vital to fix
ACTION-2024
<ed> [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2024
[11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2024
<heycam> ACTION-2024?
<trackbot> ACTION-2024 -- Doug Schepers to add wording to the
specification that content with circular references is not
conformant -- due 2008-05-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2024
[12] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2024
ED: Action-2024 might be important
DS: I think I may have already done that
... if not I know what needs to be done
... I'll be closing that this week
CM: When I was working on the refs section this week
... what was it about?
DS: It was about content
... to say authors shouldn't do that
... it was specified for implementations
ACTION-2063?
<trackbot> ACTION-2063 -- Cameron McCormack to fix the spec by
aligning the script element behavior with HTMLs script element
behavior -- due 2008-06-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2063
[13] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2063
CM: I just came up with something this afternoon
... that is pretty much what we discussed
... and what Maciej said
ED: Do you have a link for the proposed text?
<ed>
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/021
3.html
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0213.html
ED: I haven't had time to read I through
... perhaps we should wait
... that's pending for now
ACTION-2014?
<trackbot> ACTION-2014 -- Chris Lilley to review font-family
selection e-mail, bring issues back to the group for discussion --
due 2008-05-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2014
[15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2014
CL: I've looked at that
... don't think there will be any changes to the spec
... I think it's just an explanation required
ED: Is the schema something we need to do before we publish?
DS: Something we can do while we are in last call
<ChrisL> Just explaining why we can't assume that there is a font
with a glyph for 'a' on the system 9even though there almost always
is)
ACTION-2107?
<trackbot> ACTION-2107 -- Cameron McCormack to update the 1.2T spec
with the reworded section on progressive rendering and tree
construction -- due 2008-07-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2107
[16] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2107
CM: Was about when nodes get inserted into the tree
... when parsing
ED: Well if you know what needs to be done
... then we can continue
ACTION-2131?
<trackbot> ACTION-2131 -- Cameron McCormack to propose text
regarding issue-274 (when animations can be interpolated) -- due
2008-08-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2131
[17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2131
CM: This one I thought we postponed
... I must no have changed the product
ED: I'll change it now
ACTION-2132?
<trackbot> ACTION-2132 -- Doug Schepers to propose text for UA
indication in case a link is in scope -- due 2008-08-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2132
[18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2132
DS: Pretty minor, will be doing that today
... the same for 2133
ACTION-2148?
<trackbot> ACTION-2148 -- Doug Schepers to take up ISSUE-2031 with
the HTML WG -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2148
[19] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2148
DS: I did send something to them
... but there hasn't been a reply
... I'll also ask Ian
ACTION-2155?
<trackbot> ACTION-2155 -- Doug Schepers to add the keyboard events
from DOM 3 Events to an SVGT12 appendix -- due 2008-08-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2155
[20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2155
ED: About adding keyboard events
DS: I've started doing that
... I noticed that we already have the stuff in there
... but we also refer to DOM 3 Events
... We said we were sub-setting things from DOM 3 Events
... I may or may not keep the sub-setting part
... I'll have that done this week
ACTION-2156?
<trackbot> ACTION-2156 -- Cameron McCormack to fix transition from
DOM 3 Events to DOM 2 Events and uDOM, and to fix testsuite -- due
2008-08-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2156
[21] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2156
CM: This one which is changing the rest of the spec to refer to DOM
2
... and remove DOM 3 refs
... I was waiting for Doug to be done
CL: DOM 3 Events is not in the refs section
... and neither is DOM 2
... I was editing the references today
... Element traversal is a working progress
... what's happening with it?
DS: In CR
... multiple implementations
... just need to create a test suite
CL: That's the only one that says working progress in our normative
refs
ED: What's the status of the test suite?
DS: There is none
... once I finish my SVG edit actions
... I'll make one
ED: Ok
ACTION-2159?
<trackbot> ACTION-2159 -- Erik Dahlström to do progress event name
change to Tiny 1.2 -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2159
[22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2159
ED: I committed the event name changes
... for SVGPreLoad and SVGProgress
... I have to ask Charles to see if we can get a common name for
SVGPostLoad
... so I guess that's the only thing left
... I'd prefer if the event names were in some form of alignment
... I think it would be useful to have it in the progress events
spec as well
... I'll be asking Charles because he's the editor of the progress
events spec
ACTION-2164?
<trackbot> ACTION-2164 -- Doug Schepers to add 'role' attribute (and
informative reference to XHTML Role attribute module) and to change
the content model of the title and desc elements to be text -- due
2008-08-30 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2164
[23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2164
DS: I have added role and title
... I've done this
... but waiting for feedback
... on title
... from Dr Olaf and Jeff
ACTION-2174?
<trackbot> ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this'
keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the
execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object
or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 --
OPEN
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174
[24] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174
ED: I had a look at what Opera is doing for this one
... and I'm wondering if this is a good action
... Opera treats the element handler sort of like script element
... but we don't bind this
... or the arguments
... it's not really like a function in Opera
... if you define a variable in the handler it won't be defined
anywhere else
CM: That's different to what Batik does
ED: I can see the point to having it as it is
... although that's not what Opera is doing currently
... it could be changed
... but I don't know when I'll get time
CM: Would be nice to see what other players do
<ed>
[25]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-handler-201-
t.svg
[25] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-handler-201-t.svg
ED: So it's testing the keywords
... and scoping and so on
CM: That test the arguments?
ED: I think that was 202
... I would prefer if more implementers have more comments on this?
NH: We fail the first
... it's not equal to document
... I'm not really sure I'll have to investigate this
ED: I guess I can postpone this
... and wait for feedback on the public list
NH: Both tests?
ED: Yes both
ACTION-2176?
<trackbot> ACTION-2176 -- Cameron McCormack to replace Global with
Abstract View and add the reference -- due 2008-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2176
[26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2176
AG: You sent an email about this?
CM: I did haven't had any replies about it
<heycam>
[27]http://www.w3.org/mid/20080903060135.GD21745@arc.mcc.id.au
[27] http://www.w3.org/mid/20080903060135.GD21745@arc.mcc.id.au
<shepazu>
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/020
6.html
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0206.html
DS: The last wording there
... that's pretty much derived from HTML5 right?
CM: Yes same sort of thing
... I guess it's not really necessary for us to go into the Window
object
ED: What exactly is your suggestion?
NH: Your last sentence in the email
... we can leave but shouldn't be SVGGlobal
... necessary for us to keep
... current content will not work
CM: So they are saying gobal.document.parsexml
NH: We do that
CM: Could be left in without any problem
... if you leave that in then you don't need default view
... maybe we could subset DOM 2 Views a bit
ED: I guess sub-setting would be cleaner
NH: what would SVGGlobal inherit from?
CM: I'd think I'd prefer it not to inherit
ED: In that case is that enough information to go doing this action?
CM: That was not what the original action was to do
... it was just to replace Global with Abstract View
ED: Would referring to DOM 2 Views be ok
... subset that
CM: I has no impact on what properties are around
... just the structure
NH: I think I'm fine with that
... can you send an email with what you're going to introduce?
DS: Might be easier to make the change and send the link
CL: As long as it doesn't effect content
<heycam>
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/020
6.html
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0206.html
NH: You're going to remove parent?
CM: No moving it
DS: Will this still satisfy the browser vendors?
CM: Don't know, but it will satisfy them more than before
... I could ask see what they think
RESOLUTION: Do what it says in the email sent Cameron regarding
removal of SVGGlobal::parent, except don't add Default View and
leave the Global attribute
CM: I can just continue my current action
ACTION-2179?
<trackbot> ACTION-2179 -- Cameron McCormack to move timer from
Global to the SVG Module and remove the Global Module -- due
2008-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2179
[30] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2179
CM: I did this one
... but I left it open because of the question about SVGTimer
ED: If we are keeping it I'd prefer it to be moved to SVGTimer
CM: The name does not change the content
AG: Is that ok?
NH: I'm happy with that
CM: What's the name of the event?
... SVGTimer is the event type
ED: That's the last of the open actions set for Tiny
... I guess we should try to decide a deadline date for edits
... Doug you'll probably know the publication schedule
... is next Friday ok?
DS: Shooting for publication date of next Friday
... needs to be done well before then, 2 or 3 days before then
... everyone should have action items done before the 11th
<ChrisL> publication moratorium for tpac
<ChrisL> 13 October, 12pm ET: Deadline for publication requests
<ChrisL> before moratorium
<ChrisL> 16 October: Last publications before moratorium
<ChrisL> 17 - 26 October: No publications
<ChrisL> 27 October: Publications resume
Test Suite
CL: I sent an email before about XMLRI
... I've finished that now
DS: Fantastic
ED: We need to make a publication of the test suite
... need to make sure the reference images are correct
... we didn't make any in the last f2f
... still a bit of work there
AE: Do we still rely on Batik to make some of the automatic
reference images?
ED: I think so
... but you can drop any other binary in there
... as long as the syntax is correct
... we could use Inkscape but it wont work on any scripting ones
AE: Do we have an idea of how Batik goes on some of the new tests?
CM: Not very well
AE: We'll probably need some patch images made
... it looks like Anthony and I to do the test suite stuff
<heycam> trackbot, close ACTION-2179
<trackbot> ACTION-2179 Move timer from Global to the SVG Module and
remove the Global Module closed
AG: I can generate a new version of the test suite and create the
images
ED: So this has to be done when?
... same time as the spec?
DS: I'd prefer it be done before?
ED: I think we do have a bunch of actions left on the test suite
... but we still need to publish on a regular basis
... even if we still haven't finished all the actions we should
still go ahead
AE: I think turning the crank on this
DS: Monday or Tuesday we should have the test suite ready
Removing Document::Implementation
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0204.h
tml
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0204.html
ED: If we have some empty interfaces I don't see any reason to keep
them around
... unless I hear something about keeping them around
... Cameron you can go ahead and remove them
CM: It's a pretty useless thing to have if there is nothing on the
interfaces
AG: I'm ok with it
NH: I'm fine with it
DS: I'm fine with it
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to remove Document:Implementation from the
interface and the DOM implementation interface [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2182 - Remove Document:Implementation from
the interface and the DOM implementation interface [on Cameron
McCormack - due 2008-09-11].
Pragmas and extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL
<ed>
[33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/020
7.html
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0207.html
CM: I could find nothing on the web about these particular names
... who worked on most of the uDOM at the start?
... I can only assume there are some IDL compiler specific things
ED: If there is no definition of what it does then I don't see a
reason to keep it around
AG: So you'll just remove it from the IDL?
CM: Ok
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to Remove the square-bracketted extended
attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2183 - Remove the square-bracketted
extended attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL [on Cameron McCormack
- due 2008-09-11].
ED: I didn't notice anyone with an action to do the change log
... and we cannot do it before all the changes are done
CM: Someone can start
... we were thinking at the F2F to add links of the diffs from the
previous publication
ED: I guess that's fine for catching everything
... we also discussed getting a high level description of the change
... I did write a script for getting the diff version
... so it will fetch of all the diff HTML pages
<ed> [35]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/tools/htmldiff/
[35] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/tools/htmldiff/
CM: It would be nice if someone who has time to go through and do
that
ED: I've committed a small tool for getting all the diffs
DS: Let me do my editing actions this week
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to Make sure have the HTML diff marked pages
from the spec in the changes chapter [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2184 - Make sure have the HTML diff marked
pages from the spec in the changes chapter [on Doug Schepers - due
2008-09-11].
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to remove Document:Implementation from the
interface and the DOM implementation interface [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to Remove the square-bracketted extended
attributes at the top of the uDOM IDL [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to Make sure have the HTML diff marked pages from
the spec in the changes chapter [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/04-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
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