- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:09:09 +0200
- To: SVG WG <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
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SVG Working Group Teleconference
24 Jul 2008
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0084.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Erik, Doug, Chris, Cameron, Tony
Regrets
Chair
Erik
Scribe
Chris
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]test-fest
2. [6]SVG in HTML
3. [7]CSS 3 Color
4. [8]Test coverage / action status update
5. [9]getBBox tests
6. [10]Question about getURL() (SVGT 1.2)
7. [11]ISSUE-2004
8. [12]SVG Effects For CSS
* [13]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 24 July 2008
<ed_> [14]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2054
close?
[14] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2054
<scribe> ScribeNick: ChrisL
<scribe> Scribe: Chris
test-fest
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/007
5.html
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0075.html
ED: Andrew confirmed they can host, asks for resolution to agree to
the location
(no objections)
Resolved: Test Fest will be held in Ottawa, 29 Sept - 2 Oct
SVG in HTML
[16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/007
7.html
[16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0077.html
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/ (various
feedback)
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/
ED: The location of the test fest shuld be announced btw. AE is on
vacation
DS: I can announce it
ED: Lets ask for a front page news item
<scribe> ACTION: Doug talk to Ian Jacobs about wide announcement of
test fest including front page news item [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2114 - Talk to Ian Jacobs about wide
announcement of test fest including front page news item [on Doug
Schepers - due 2008-07-31].
ED: OK back to SVG in HTML. Ian responded to our proposal. Made upa
broken example and says it works fdifferently in our proposal
CL: his ecxample is contrived, while his proposal invalidated large
amnounts of existing valid content produced by common authoring
tools
ED; In the above mail I gave 2 examples, replace p with a or add a
metadata then what do you expect?
scribe: confident there is little content actually existing which
are broken in that particular way
DS: He has searched for that one example, clearly. He claims it will
become a more common error once people copy it
CL: Its important to preserve the large amount of existing content
9eg, stuff with metadata) which works. Occasional screwcases that
dont work anyway in existing browsers are much less important and
there are a lot less of them
ED: I will convey this to the HTML WG
DS; What we really want is SVG in all the major browsers, including
IE
ED: OpenAjax Alliance poll put SVG in top position of desirable
features
CL: Its interesting that it scored so highly, above specifically
ajax-related things
ED: Chris Wilson posted with questions on how the dom works, thought
the proposal was clear, we could explain more that its the same
document and the same dom
CL: Either clarify if its unclear, or point to the current wording
in a clarificatory followup
CMcC; They are comparing it to xml islands, so thats how I responded
DS: Single tree, dom gets the methods from both html and svg
<scribe> ACTION: Erik respond to the messages on SVG in HTML, making
it cleaer that its the same DOM - if needed update the proposal too
[recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2115 - Respond to the messages on SVG in
HTML, making it cleaer that its the same DOM - if needed update the
proposal too [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-07-31].
CSS 3 Color
[20]http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/
[20] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/
CL: They removed flavor which is good, and color management via CSS
which is unfortunate but since its untestable this is understandable
<scribe> ACTION: Chris review css 3 color and report back to SVG WG
[recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2116 - Review css 3 color and report back
to SVG WG [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-07-31].
ED: Firefox support the HSL colours syntax in svg too, we could
adopt it later
CL: If they do RGBA, we really need to test that in combination with
opacity
Test coverage / action status update
[22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestCoverage
[22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestCoverage
[23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Tiny_12
[23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Tiny_12
The other requiredFonts test is in progress but not yet ready for
review
DS: Added two extra switch tests
ED: I added some tests for script handler and listener, three tests
added to table to be reviewed
... still some untested assertions
... its a good increase in coverage for the scripting section
CL: Doug could you take the class attr test? it just needs some
class attr, with and without spaces, then check they are in the dom
(test on full string, perhaps on substrings too to allow for
collapsing of multiple spaces)
... Its just testing its in the DOM
ED: Reviewers for my three tests?
<ed_> [24]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Tiny_12
[24] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Tiny_12
CL; I will add my tests there too
ED: script-listener-204-t.svg, script-listener-203-t.svg,
script-handler-203-t.svg
CMcC: I can do those three, Can you do mine?
CL: Reviewer for struct-cond-208-t
DS: I can do that one
<heycam> ed_, my three tests for you to review are
udom-svg-{238,239,240}-t
DS: I can do struct-cond-211-t as wel once its finished
<ed_> ACTION: ed to review udom-svg-{238,239,240}-t [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2117 - Review udom-svg-{238,239,240}-t [on
Erik Dahlström - due 2008-07-31].
<heycam> ACTION: cameron to review script-listener-20[$1\47]-t and
script-handle-203-t [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2118 - Review script-listener-20[$1\47]-t
and script-handle-203-t [on Cameron McCormack - due 2008-07-31].
<scribe> ACTION: Doug review struct-cond-208 and struct-cond-211
requiredFonts tests [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2119 - Review struct-cond-208 and
struct-cond-211 requiredFonts tests [on Doug Schepers - due
2008-07-31].
That swiss implementation which does SVGT1.2 including SVG video
looks interesting, and they are keep to take part in the test fest
getBBox tests
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0149.html
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0149.html
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to thank Julien Reichel and get him to execute
the test contribution agreement [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2120 - Thank Julien Reichel and get him to
execute the test contribution agreement [on Doug Schepers - due
2008-07-31].
DS: This is the nice thing about working in public. Didn't I make
tests for bbox already?
ED: Yes, check they have been added. BitFlash also contributed some
Question about getURL() (SVGT 1.2)
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html
CL: For XML the implementation should of course be allowed to look
at the BOM and xml encoding declaration to see what the encoding is,
if the http charset parameter is missing. Should not be forced to
treat as us-ascii
<heycam> CM: is the current wording meant to preclude using getURL()
with non-text/* content-types?
<heycam> CM: or does it just say "if the content-type *is* text/*,
then decode it in this way"?
<ed_>
[31]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/svgudom.html#svg__AsyncURLStatu
s
[31] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/svgudom.html#svg__AsyncURLStatus
<scribe> ACTION: Chris respond to Julien on
[32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re
getURL [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2121 - Respond to Julien on
[34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re
getURL [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-07-31].
[34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html
<ed_>
[35]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__As
yncURLStatus
[35] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__AsyncURLStatus
CMcC: Check current spec
ED: (checks spec on content property for async url)
DOMstring is UTF-16 so some bit patterns are not allowed
CMcC: But that is not checked by implementations
CL: Will send draft here first for checking
ISSUE-2004
[36]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2004
[36] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2004
close ISSUE-2004
trackbot, close ISSUE-2004
<trackbot> Sorry, ChrisL, I don't understand 'trackbot, close
ISSUE-2004'. Please refer to
[37]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
ED: Do we have tests for this ? Yes it was based on a test case, but
float is not tested eg SVGMatix
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron write a test for passing Nan and inf to
methods in udom that take floats [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2122 - Write a test for passing Nan and
inf to methods in udom that take floats [on Cameron McCormack - due
2008-07-31].
SVG Effects For CSS
<shepazu>
[39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0146.html
[40]http://people.mozilla.com/~roc/SVG-CSS-Effects-Draft.html
[39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0146.html
[40] http://people.mozilla.com/~roc/SVG-CSS-Effects-Draft.html
DS: Bert said this is low prioroty for CSS, but it seems
interesting. perhaps bring it to CDF?
... look like low hanging fruit and currently being implemented
ED: He is willing to be an editor
CL: This is good stuff, i like this draft
DS: Would we want this as a module?
ED: Yes. Element synntax is perhaps controvertial
Resolved: Bring 'SVG effects for CSS' into SVG if CSS does not want
to take it on, and bring in RoCas editor
<scribe> ACTION: Doug tell RoC we are interested to take on SVG
Effects for CSS [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2123 - Tell RoC we are interested to take
on SVG Effects for CSS [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-31].
ED: adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: cameron to review script-listener-20[$1\47]-t and
script-handle-203-t [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron write a test for passing Nan and inf to
methods in udom that take floats [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris respond to Julien on
[44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re
getURL [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris review css 3 color and report back to SVG WG
[recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug review struct-cond-208 and struct-cond-211
requiredFonts tests [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug talk to Ian Jacobs about wide announcement of
test fest including front page news item [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug tell RoC we are interested to take on SVG Effects
for CSS [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to thank Julien Reichel and get him to execute
the test contribution agreement [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to review udom-svg-{238,239,240}-t [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik respond to the messages on SVG in HTML, making it
cleaer that its the same DOM - if needed update the proposal too
[recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html
[End of minutes]
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Chris Lilley mailto:chris@w3.org
Interaction Domain Leader
W3C Graphics Activity Lead
Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
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