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RE: Minutes, 9 Sept 2008 SVG WG telcon

From: Niklas Hagelroth <niklas.hagelroth@ikivo.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:47:28 +0200
Message-ID: <234EB4699C751A4A95DF4FD8D041BBFDF5038D@SESTHSRV10.zoomon.local>
To: "Chris Lilley" <chris@w3.org>, <public-svg-wg@w3.org>


Sorry, I must have missed today's meeting. I thought it was supposed to start 13:30 W. Europe Time. What is the time for Tuesday meetings?

Cheers,
Niklas


> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-svg-wg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-svg-wg-request@w3.org]
> On Behalf Of Chris Lilley
> Sent: den 9 september 2008 14:12
> To: public-svg-wg@w3.org
> Subject: Minutes, 9 Sept 2008 SVG WG telcon
> 
> 
> Hello public-svg-wg,
> 
> Minutes are here
> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html
> 
> and below as text for tracker.
> 
>                   SVG Working Group Teleconference
> 
> 09 Sep 2008
> 
>    [2]Agenda
> 
>       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-
> wg/2008JulSep/0255.html
> 
>    See also: [3]IRC log
> 
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-irc
> 
> Attendees
> 
>    Present
>           ed, anthony, ChrisL, Doug_Schepers
> 
>    Regrets
>    Chair
>           Erik
> 
>    Scribe
>           ChrisL
> 
> Contents
> 
>      * [4]Topics
>          1. [5]Publication schedule
>          2. [6]Test suite
>      * [7]Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
>    <trackbot> Date: 09 September 2008
> 
>    <scribe> ScribeNick: ChrisL
> 
>    <ed> [8]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/2
> 
>       [8] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/2
> 
>    ED: looking over the open actions and issues
> 
>    DS: ACTION-2155 is done
> 
>    close ACTION-2155
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2155 Add the keyboard events from DOM 3 Events to
>    an SVGT12 appendix closed
> 
>    ED: ACTION-2159 had some mail recently about loadEnd
> 
>    DS: Those were not on list. Only WG members can post to the list.
>    liaisons whould crosspost to www-svg
> 
>    ED: Looks like loadEnd is being added, not defined when its
>    dispatched, before or after load.
> 
>    CL: Is there any downside to defining the order?
> 
>    ED: WebApps seems to want it before the load event. Need to check
>    current implementations
>    ... fine either way
>    ... progress event might define it differently, would be a problem
> 
>    CL: If there is a risk of conflict with an uncompleted spec, better
>    to defer to progress events
> 
>    ED: Agree
> 
>    <ed>
>    [9]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#events__
>    ProgressEvent
> 
>       [9]
> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#events__ProgressE
> vent
> 
>    Resolved: leave loadEnd dispach order undefined, add informative
>    link to Progress Events
> 
>    close ACTION-2159
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2159 Do progress event name change to Tiny 1.2
>    closed
> 
>    ED: ACTION-2164 role attr
> 
>    ACTION-2164?
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2164 -- Doug Schepers to add 'role' attribute (and
>    informative reference to XHTML Role attribute module) and to change
>    the content model of the title and desc elements to be text -- due
>    2008-08-30 -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2164
> 
>      [10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2164
> 
>    DS: Feedback is currently being intregrated. role is done, text for
>    title and desc is done, algorithm needs work
> 
>    ACTION-2174?
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this'
>    keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the
>    execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object
>    or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 --
>    OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174
> 
>      [11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174
> 
>    DS: what about adding rel (and rev? but discouraged) for
>    microformats
>    ... would not hurt to add it
> 
>    ED: Just strings?
> 
>    DS; Only allowed on anchors (a elements)
> 
>    CL: Would add interop with microformats, but the microformat code
>    would still need to be told to look in SVG for microformats
> 
>    DS: AUs which already get rel and rev probably dont care on the
>    format, they just look for those attributes
> 
>    CL: Wonder if their code is depending on span (we have tspan)
> 
>    DS: Sloppy software will tolerate the attributes not being on a
>    given tag, just looking for attributes.
>    ... good point of convergence with HTML
>    ... might also help with RDFa
>    ... RDFa is less verbose, too, than RDF/XML
> 
>    CL: In favour of adding rel and rev
> 
>    ED: Impact on spec?
> 
>    DS: Same description as HTML 4 (or 5) and add example taking into
>    account microformats
> 
>    CL: IG might like to discuss microformats in SVG
> 
>    Resolved: Add rel and rev to the SVG a element
> 
>    CL: Since we have xlink:title and also the title element (for
>    machine readable content) so there isn't the overlap
> 
>    (discussion on hint element and aria roles)
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Doug to add rel and rev to the svg 'a' element
>    [recorded in
>    [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
> 
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-2185 - Add rel and rev to the svg 'a'
>    element [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-09-16].
> 
>    ACTION-2121?
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2121 -- Chris Lilley to respond to Julien on
>    [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re
>    getURL -- due 2008-07-31 -- OPEN
> 
>      [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html
> 
>    <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2121
> 
>      [14] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2121
> 
>    look here /SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__SVGGlobal
> 
>    <ed>
>    [15]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__SV
>    GGlobal
> 
>      [15]
> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__SVGGlobal
> 
>    A.8.21 AsyncURLStatus
> 
>    compare with
>    [16]http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/#text-response-entity-body
> 
>      [16] http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/#text-response-entity-body
> 
>    ED: fine with a clarification as log as its in sync with XHR
> 
>    ACTION-2121: Change spec to clarify its not just text/*, not just
>    HTTP, and use the specified encoding
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2121 Respond to Julien on
>    [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html re
>    getURL notes added
> 
>      [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Jul/0151.html
> 
>    ED: Do the commit and we can discuss if its not right
> 
>    ACTION-2099?
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2099 -- Chris Lilley to review the corrections to
>    the mistakes in the attribute index and report back -- due
>    2008-07-22 -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2099
> 
>      [18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2099
> 
>    ID is in twice, the Perl needs to be modified
> 
>    CL: I am happy t make the table of links to attr definitions, id
>    Anthony fixes the Perl
> 
>    ED: This can be done during last call
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Anthony revise tools/tables/maketables.pl to add
>    attribute definition links and fix duplicate id entry [recorded in
>    [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]
> 
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-2186 - Revise tools/tables/maketables.pl
>    to add attribute definition links and fix duplicate id entry [on
>    Anthony Grasso - due 2008-09-16].
> 
>    close ACTION-2099
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2099 Review the corrections to the mistakes in the
>    attribute index and report back closed
> 
>    close ACTION-2174
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2174 Remove the 'this' keyword binding in the
>    'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler
>    content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are
>    put in the global scope closed
> 
>    ACTION-2174?
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2174 -- Erik Dahlström to remove the 'this'
>    keyword binding in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the
>    execution of the handler content is actually like a Function object
>    or if the contents are put in the global scope -- due 2008-08-31 --
>    CLOSED
> 
>    <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174
> 
>      [20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2174
> 
>    ED: More useful to keep the behaviour in the spec, ikivo implemented
>    per spec, so better to leave it as is
>    ... ACTION-2148 depends on HTML WG
> 
>    ACTION-2148?
> 
>    <trackbot> ACTION-2148 -- Doug Schepers to take up ISSUE-2031 with
>    the HTML WG -- due 2008-08-28 -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2148
> 
>      [21] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2148
> 
>    DS: Will talk to Hixie about this
> 
> Publication schedule
> 
>    DS: On track for this friday publication. Please ensure actions
>    done. Jules confirmed Friday publication. 4 week last call.
>    ... moratorium before TPAC and also PLH said no way to get w3m
>    processing right before TPAC so he suggests it be discussed during
>    TPAC
>    ... Doug and Chris can do it in person that way, too
>    ... so publish after TPAC
>    ... for press activity, be aware that Thanksgiving in there. Ian
>    Jacobs, head of comms said that a press release is ok for Rec
>    ... press release expected to be helpful for implementors and users
>    ... will check with the JIS people
> 
>    AG: JIS contacted me before this telcon, happy with that schedule
>    and will do Japanese translation during November
> 
>    DS: Also contacting JSR-287 folks about this
> 
> Test suite
> 
>    AG: Patches mostly complete
>    ... one more day for Andrew and I to complete
>    ... adressing issues on the wii as we go
>    ... comparing refs against opera, biftflash and batick. updating
>    patches as needed.
> 
>    <anthony>
>    [22]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-fonts-04-t.svg
> 
>      [22] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-fonts-04-t.svg
> 
>    AG: this test here has a problem
> 
>    <anthony> status="accepted"
> 
>    <anthony> approved="no"
> 
>    CL: Unchanged form 1.1, should be approved, description is good
> 
>    <anthony>
>    [23]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-t.sv
>    g
> 
>      [23] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-
> t.svg
> 
>    AG: also this one
> 
>    <anthony> [24]http://members.iinet.net.au/~ossarga/text-align-202-t/
> 
>      [24] http://members.iinet.net.au/~ossarga/text-align-202-t/
> 
>    inkscape is correct
> 
>    but I want to check with someone that knows arabic
> 
>    ED: So publishing the spec by friday
> 
>    DS: Better to have a dated version so implementors know what they
>    tested against
> 
>    CL: Need to check with no keyword substitution
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Chris ensure test suite published on Friday
>    [recorded in
>    [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]
> 
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-2187 - Ensure test suite published on
>    Friday [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-09-16].
> 
>    DS: rev is deprecated, maybee just add rel not rev
> 
>    <scribe> ACTION: Chris ask Tantek for advice on adding rev [recorded
>    in [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action04]
> 
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-2188 - Ask Tantek for advice on adding rev
>    [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-09-16].
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
>    [NEW] ACTION: Anthony revise tools/tables/maketables.pl to add
>    attribute definition links and fix duplicate id entry [recorded in
>    [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Chris ask Tantek for advice on adding rev [recorded in
>    [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action04]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Chris ensure test suite published on Friday [recorded
>    in [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]
>    [NEW] ACTION: Doug to add rel and rev to the svg 'a' element
>    [recorded in
>    [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/09/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
> 
>    [End of minutes]
>      ___________________
> 
> --
>  Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@w3.org
>  Technical Director, Interaction Domain
>  W3C Graphics Activity Lead
>  Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
> 
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