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Minutes, SVG teclon Tuesday 15th July 2008

From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:09:05 +1000
Message-ID: <487C9361.6030109@cisra.canon.com.au>
To: W3C SVG Public Working Group <public-svg-wg@w3.org>

http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-svg-minutes.html

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                    SVG Working Group Teleconference

15 Jul 2008

    [2]Agenda

       [2] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0036.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-svg-irc

Attendees

    Present
           aemmons, ed_, anthony, heycam, Doug_Schepers, ChrisL

    Regrets
           None

    Chair
           Andrew Emmons

    Scribe
           anthony

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Test Fest
          2. [6]Two progressive rendering questions
          3. [7]Mistakes in the attribute index appendix (ISSUE-2005)
          4. [8]Testing animation of empty string values (ISSUE-2010)
      * [9]Summary of Action Items
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    <trackbot> Date: 15 July 2008

    <ChrisL> Hi folks

    <aemmons> Hi Chris!

    <ChrisL> I'm still sorting out a phone here (my regular phone line
    is out of order)

    <scribe> Scribe: anthony

Test Fest

    <aemmons> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestCoverage

      [10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestCoverage

    <ed_> [11]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/

      [11] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/

    <scribe> ACTION: anthony to Check the test report generation script
    to ensure data is not discarded when a revision number miss match
    occurs with a test [recorded in
    [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-svg-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-2098 - Check the test report generation
    script to ensure data is not discarded when a revision number miss
    match occurs with a test [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-07-22].

    <aemmons>
    [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/002
    9.html

      [13] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0029.html

    [Discussion about organisation]

Two progressive rendering questions

    CM: It's really just a couple of questions to clarify things for me
    ... I was reading through the section for the script thing
    ... question is a bit long
    ... so I don't mind if people reply to that offline

    AE: I wouldn't mind some more time to go over that

    DS: Same

    CM: That's fine

    <ChrisL>
    [14]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xm
    l#attribute-index

      [14] 
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/repository/errata/errata.xml#attribute-index

    <aemmons>
    [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/015
    4.html

      [15] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0154.html

Mistakes in the attribute index appendix (ISSUE-2005)

    CM: So I noticed there a number of incorrect entries in that
    ... I thought it was automatically generated

    CL: I think so

    CM: A couple of things that were confused because of the scripts
    that generated it
    ... minor mistakes

    CL: So I'd like a little bit of time to check this
    ... I suspect it's probably reasonable
    ... the reason I'm slightly hesitant is on font family I think it
    should have the value all
    ... and when I look at the proposed errata

    CM: That's what's actually published

    CL: So the ones on font face
    ... shouldn't they include the value all?

    CM: I copied those out of the DTD

    CL: I'd have to go over those before accepting them
    ... in general it looks good

    <scribe> ACTION: Chris to review the corrections to the mistakes in
    the attribute index and report back [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-svg-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-2099 - Review the corrections to the
    mistakes in the attribute index and report back [on Chris Lilley -
    due 2008-07-22].

    CL: I'll see if I can get that done by next Tuesday

    <aemmons>
    [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/000
    4.html

      [17] 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0004.html

Testing animation of empty string values (ISSUE-2010)

    CM: Test has a semicolon at the end of a value for animation
    ... some implementations accept it
    ... Bitflash is one of them

    AE: Up until a few months ago we disallowed it
    ... but we got complaints
    ... that content was being generated with it like that

    CL: Having a semicolon at the end of the list is fine if it is
    always required
    ... is there are final blank entry
    ... and does it matter

    CM: I think this is an important thing to specify
    ... if there are going to be empty string
    ... so you can see I got varied results
    ... with empty string in the middle and at the end

    CL: If it doesn't introduce an ambiguity I'd be fine with changing
    it
    ... but if it does we need to think about it more

    ED: I'm wondering if it can escape string values
    ... or escape it somehow with like a backslash

    CM: So somethings are escaping for specific attribute types
    ... rather than a general escaping mechanism
    ... so there is a similar problem in there
    ... if you have a URL with a semicolon
    ... would have to percent escape it
    ... one thing you could say if you want an empty string is that
    ... you have a "#" there
    ... because it's the same
    ... or say there are two semicolons at the end
    ... and the last one is an optional termination

    AE: I'm happy with that
    ... have empty values
    ... with the last one ignored

    <scribe> ACTION: Cameron to reword the animation values such that a
    final semicolon is ignored [recorded in
    [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-svg-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-2100 - Reword the animation values such
    that a final semicolon is ignored [on Cameron McCormack - due
    2008-07-22].

    DS: Are we changing something we use or are we changing something in
    SMIL?

    CM: We change what SMIL says but it will make us slightly divergent

    AE: Aren't there places like that already?
    ... I think we already have the wording in there for SMIL
    ... [Reads out spec]
    ... So in there we can say this is our SVG specif rule

    <ed_>
    [19]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#ValuesA
    ttribute

      [19] 
http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#ValuesAttribute

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: anthony to Check the test report generation script to
    ensure data is not discarded when a revision number miss match
    occurs with a test [recorded in
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-svg-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: Cameron to reword the animation values such that a
    final semicolon is ignored [recorded in
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-svg-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: Chris to review the corrections to the mistakes in the
    attribute index and report back [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/15-svg-minutes.html#action02]

    [End of minutes]
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