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Minutes, SVG Nuremberg Face-to-Face Day 4, Sunday 24 August 2008

From: Cameron McCormack <cam@mcc.id.au>
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:42:26 +1000
To: public-svg-wg@w3.org
Message-ID: <20080824214226.GC10027@arc.mcc.id.au>

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                               - DRAFT -

                   SVG Working Group Teleconference

24 Aug 2008

Attendees

   Present
   Regrets
   Chair
          SV_MEETING_CHAIR

   Scribe
          Cameron, anthony

Contents

     * [2]Topics
         1. [3]Test suite
         2. [4]Connection API
         3. [5]Test Suite Review
         4. [6]Static Attribute
         5. [7]Test Suite Review
         6. [8]Timer Interface
         7. [9]Test Suite Review
     * [10]Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________



   <heycam> trackbot, start telcon

   <trackbot> Date: 24 August 2008

   <heycam> Meeting: SVG Working Group Nuremberg F2F Day 4

Test suite

   <ed> [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/4

     [11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/4

   <heycam> ScribeNick: heycam

   <scribe> Scribe: Cameron

   [12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/products/11

     [12] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/products/11

   no, it's this:
   [13]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/products/13

     [13] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/products/13

   <anthony>
   [14]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/status/test_status12T.h
   tml

     [14] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/status/test_status12T.html

   ED: i don't think we should work on the actions that say to create a
   new test
   ... we can't get through all of the test suite actions before we
   want to republish it
   ... one of the main things we need to do is approve tests we think
   are finished
   ... anthony has the list of unapproved tests, we'll go through them
   one by one

   trackbot, close ACTION-2167

   <trackbot> ACTION-2167 Ensure lacuna values are specifically
   mentioned for all default attribute values closed

   <anthony>
   [15]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-204-t.
   svg

     [15] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-204-t.svg

   ED: we should just approve ones that are reviewed

   <anthony>
   [16]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-220-t.
   svg

     [16] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-220-t.svg

   <ed> ED: this could be automated, by using javascript to do the
   spline/calcmode calculations and using getCurrentTime and the
   getPresentationTrait method(s) and comparing the two

   <ed> ...would be much nicer because it could be quicker and not
   require someone looking at the test for a long time

   <ed> ...let's leave this as unapproved for now

   <anthony>
   [17]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-221-t.
   svg

     [17] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-221-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [18]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-222-t

     [18] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-222-t

   <anthony>
   [19]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-222-t.
   svg

     [19] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-222-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [20]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-225-t.
   svg

     [20] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-225-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [21]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-226-t.
   svg

     [21] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-226-t.svg

   <scribe> ACTION: Cameron to reinstate the qname type and make
   animation attributeName="" use that type in the schema and the spec
   [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2170 - Reinstate the qname type and make
   animation attributeName=\"\" use that type in the schema and the
   spec [on Cameron McCormack - due 2008-08-31].

   <anthony> approved

   <anthony>
   [23]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-61-t.s
   vg

     [23] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-61-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [24]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-63-t.s
   vg

     [24] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-63-t.svg

   unreviewed

   trackbot, close ACTION-2126

   <trackbot> ACTION-2126 Make the change proposed in Issue2016 closed

   <anthony>
   [25]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-86-t.s
   vg

     [25] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/animate-elem-86-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [26]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/conf-reader-201-t.s
   vg

     [26] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/conf-reader-201-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [27]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/fonts-elem-201-t.sv
   g

     [27] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/fonts-elem-201-t.svg

   [28]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#value-def-generic-family

     [28] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#value-def-generic-family

   not approved for now

   <anthony>
   [29]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/fonts-glyph-202-t.s
   vg

     [29] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/fonts-glyph-202-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [30]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/interact-focus-208-
   t.svg

     [30] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/interact-focus-208-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [31]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/interact-focus-209-
   t.svg

     [31] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/interact-focus-209-t.svg

   <anthony>
   [32]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/interact-pevents-01
   -t.svg

     [32] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/interact-pevents-01-t.svg

   interact-focus-209-t approved

   <ed> interact-pevents-01-t.svg should replace usage of on-attributes
   with xml-event handlers and also add pointer-events=boundingbox to
   the test

   <ed> it's not a correct 1.2T test at the moment

   <ed> ACTION: ed to fix the interact-pevents-01-t.svg test to replace
   usage of on-attributes with xml-event handlers and also add
   pointer-events=boundingbox to the test [recorded in
   [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2171 - Fix the interact-pevents-01-t.svg
   test to replace usage of on-attributes with xml-event handlers and
   also add pointer-events=boundingbox to the test [on Erik Dahlström -
   due 2008-08-31].

   <anthony>
   [34]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/interact-pevents-03
   -t.svg

     [34] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/interact-pevents-03-t.svg

   <ed> this is also using on-attributes

   <ed> and letter-spacing

   <ed> let's remove this test, and fix the interact-pevents-04-t.svg
   test because that's very similar

   <anthony>
   [35]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/interact-pevents-04
   -t.svg

     [35] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/interact-pevents-04-t.svg

   AG: can't fix the test to not use letter-spacing since <tspan>s
   can't have position attributes anyway in tiny

   ED: we'll take out this test

   <anthony>
   [36]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-a-04-t.svg

     [36] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-a-04-t.svg

   <anthony>
   [37]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-a-201-t.svg

     [37] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-a-201-t.svg

   <ed> linking-a-04-t.svg will be removed, replaced by
   linking-a-202-t.svg (same but removing the view element, and the
   middle subtest)

   <ed> ACTION: ed to review linking-a-202-t.svg [recorded in
   [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2172 - Review linking-a-202-t.svg [on Erik
   Dahlström - due 2008-08-31].

   <anthony>
   [39]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-a-05-t.svg

     [39] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-a-05-t.svg

   <ed> ACTION: ed to review linking-a-203-t.svg [recorded in
   [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action04]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2173 - Review linking-a-203-t.svg [on Erik
   Dahlström - due 2008-08-31].

   <ed> linking-a-05-t.svg will be removed, replaced by
   linking-a-203-t.svg (same but removing the view element, and the
   middle subtest)

   <anthony>
   [41]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-a-201-t.svg

     [41] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-a-201-t.svg

   <anthony> approved

   <anthony>
   [42]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-uri-01-t.sv
   g

     [42] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-uri-01-t.svg

   <ed> ED: testing view elements specifically, not applicable to tiny
   - let's remove it

   <anthony>
   [43]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-uri-02-t.sv
   g

     [43] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/linking-uri-02-t.svg

   <ed> ED: same as linking-uri-01-t, remove

   <anthony>
   [44]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/media-audio-214-t.s
   vg

     [44] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/media-audio-214-t.svg

   <ed> approved

   <anthony>
   [45]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/paint-stroke-203-t.
   svg

     [45] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/paint-stroke-203-t.svg

   <ed> not approved

   <anthony>
   [46]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/paint-stroke-206-t.
   svg

     [46] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/paint-stroke-206-t.svg

   <anthony>
   [47]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-handler-201-
   t.svg

     [47] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-handler-201-t.svg

   <anthony> paint-stroke-206.svg not approved

   <ed> script-handler-201-t.svg not approved

   ED: i'm not happy with approving this test, where it tests
   functions/this-values etc.
   ... i'm not sure this aligns properly with XML Events and other
   users of XML Events (xhtml, xhtml+voice)
   ... we should remove our requirements from the spec on this, too
   ... and leave it until Core

   <ed>
   [48]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/script.html#HandlerE
   lement

     [48] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/script.html#HandlerElement

   RESOLUTION: remove the spec text about binding 'this' in <handler>s,
   and check what to say about the event handler being like a Function
   object

   <ed> ACTION: ed to remove the 'this' keyword binding in the
   'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler
   content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are
   put in the global scope [recorded in
   [49]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action05]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2174 - Remove the 'this' keyword binding
   in the 'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the
   handler content is actually like a Function object or if the
   contents are put in the global scope [on Erik Dahlström - due
   2008-08-31].

   <anthony>
   [50]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-listener-203
   -t.svg

     [50] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-listener-203-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [51]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-listener-204
   -t.svg

     [51] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/script-listener-204-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [52]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-class-201-t.
   svg

     [52] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-class-201-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [53]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-common-201-t
   -debug.svg

     [53] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-common-201-t-debug.svg

   <ed> ED: remove that, we have struct-common-201-t.svg (but fix it
   since it has an error with duplicate xml:id attributes)

   <ed> AG: I committed the fix for the non-debug version

   <anthony>
   [54]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-common-201-t
   .svg

     [54] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-common-201-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [55]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-cond-204-t.s
   vg

     [55] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-cond-204-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [56]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-cond-209-t.s
   vg

     [56] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-cond-209-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [57]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-cond-210-t.s
   vg

     [57] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-cond-210-t.svg

   approved

   <anthony>
   [58]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-discard-203-
   t.svg

     [58] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-discard-203-t.svg

   <ed> ACTION: ed to figure out what's bork-bork-borken with the right
   red rect in struct-discard-203-t.svg [recorded in
   [59]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action06]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2175 - Figure out what's bork-bork-borken
   with the right red rect in struct-discard-203-t.svg [on Erik
   Dahlström - due 2008-08-31].

   <ed> ED: not approved

   <anthony>
   [60]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-svg-204-t.sv
   g

     [60] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-svg-204-t.svg

   <ed> ED: was "in error" before

   <ed> CM: changed that to unsupported, so the test should be changed

   <anthony>
   [61]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-svg-205-t.sv
   g

     [61] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-svg-205-t.svg

   <ed> ED: remove this test

   <anthony>
   [62]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-06-t.svg

     [62] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-06-t.svg

   <ed> changed to be using green rects, and remove style attributes

   ED: we'll remove struct-use-06 and replace it with a fixed up one in
   the 2** series

   AG: found that struct-use-05 was not a tiny test for various
   reasons, and is now fixed up and called struct-use-207-t

   <ed> struct-use-06-t is now struct-use-206-t

   <anthony>
   [63]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-07-t.svg

     [63] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-07-t.svg

   <ed> remove style attributes, remove widht and height on the use
   element

   <ed> remove test and replace it with a fixedup struct-use-208-t

   <ed>
   [64]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-208-t.sv
   g

     [64] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-208-t.svg

   <ed> approved

   <anthony>
   [65]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-08-t.svg

     [65] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-08-t.svg

   <ed> uses width and height on the use element, lacks pass criteria

   <ed> remove struct-use-08-t.svg, replace it with
   struct-use-209-t.svg

   <ed>
   [66]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-209-t.sv
   g

     [66] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-209-t.svg

   <ed> the resource still uses width and height on 'use'

   <ed>
   [67]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-209-t.sv
   g

     [67] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-209-t.svg

   <ed> sorry,
   [68]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/images/struct-use-209-t
   -cycles.svg

     [68] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/images/struct-use-209-t-cycles.svg

   <anthony>
   [69]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/styling-inherit-02-
   t.svg

     [69] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/styling-inherit-02-t.svg

   <ed>
   [70]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-209-t.sv
   g was approved

     [70] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/struct-use-209-t.svg

   <anthony> styling-inherit-02 was already approved

   <anthony> but wasn't accepted

   <anthony> watermark was commented out as well

   <anthony> so we should just change it to accepted

   <anthony>
   [71]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-203-t.sv
   g

     [71] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-203-t.svg

   <ed> trying to test tspans with different text-anchor values, but
   that's only useful when there's x and y on tspan

   <ed> so let's remove the test, since it's already covered by
   text-align-01-t.svg anyway

   <anthony>
   [72]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-202-t.svg

     [72] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-202-t.svg

   <ed> pass criteria?

   <anthony> tests that
   [73]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-208-t.svg

     [73] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-208-t.svg

   <ed> AE will work on adding pass criteria to text-area-202-t, let's
   come back to it later

   <ed> same as text-area-202, needs clear pass criteria

   <ed> AE: uses percentage font-sizes

   <ed> ...actually that was changed, so it's not anymore

   <ed> approved after the pass criteria were clarified

   trackbot, close ACTION-2160

   <trackbot> ACTION-2160 Make the publication script be able to
   generate a single page version closed

   <anthony>
   [74]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-211-t.svg

     [74] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-211-t.svg

   <ed> AE: finished the pass criteria on text-area-202-t.svg, marking
   as accepted

   <ed> ED: text-area-211 also needs clear pass criteria

   <anthony>
   [75]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-212-t.svg

     [75] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-212-t.svg

   <ed> AE: will do pass criteria for 211 and 212

   <anthony>
   [76]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-223-t.svg

     [76] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-223-t.svg

   <ed> trackbot, close ACTION-2169

   <trackbot> ACTION-2169 Take out current element traversal interface
   and a reference to the Element Traversal spec closed

   <ed> 223 is going to be unapproved still, let's revisit it for core
   (ISSUE-2041)

   <anthony>
   [77]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-fonts-203-t.sv
   g

     [77] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-fonts-203-t.svg

   <ed> leave it for now, needs to have the svgfont to be correct

   <ed>
   [78]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-211-t.svg

     [78] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-area-211-t.svg

   <ed> AE: [reads new pass criteria]

   <ed> ok, let's approve it

   <anthony>
   [79]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-intro-06-t.svg

     [79] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-intro-06-t.svg

   <ed> approved

   <anthony>
   [80]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-conform-201-t.
   svg

     [80] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-conform-201-t.svg

   <ed> approved

   <anthony> scribe: anthony

   <scribe> scribeNick: anthony

Connection API

   DS: We've communicated Ikivo and they've not shown strong support
   ... in the connection interface
   ... Given that there are alternatives with XHR and possible with
   HTML connection interface
   ... in the future

   ED: And GetURL and PostURL

   DS: And given the review comments we got
   ... even though it's implemented we think it's best to drop the
   connection interface

   ED: It's not implemented widely

   DS: But it's still implemented

   AE: We've got an implementation but we understand for logistical
   reasons
   ... that we are ok with it being taken out

   ED: You could get away with an implementation with raising
   exceptions
   ... it'd be silly

   AE: We did talk about it being optional
   ... but we'd still have full QA for it

   DS: And we don't want to have optional features

   RESOLUTION: We will drop the Connection Interface

   CM: Binary to String and String to Binary are useless with out
   connection
   ... too bad I wrote those tests

   ED: We can drop, Connection Event
   ... and bits in the table in the interaction chapter
   ... should we remove global exception?
   ... would be good if we can decide what exception to use for denied
   error in timer

   CM: I think we can get rid of that exception all together

   RESOLUTION: We will drop Binary to String and String to Binary,
   Create Connection, Global Exception and the Exception on Create
   Timer

   AE: JSR doesn't reference Global

   ED: What about when we go to Core?

   CM: If it's Object then you'd to cast it

   ED: We could name what we have to something else

   CM: Given that they don't implement it in Java
   ... I don't know if it's a binary incompatible change, not sure what
   the rules are

   ED: If we named Global to an empty Window

   DS: We can say plug Window in here

   CM: So maybe we can try that

   DS: Would it be a big change?

   ED: Well no
   ... there's not much there

   CM: I think it makes it more palatable so we can hook into the
   interface later

   ED: I'm wondering if we can get away with an abstract view

   CM: We could subset abstract view
   ... and take nothing out from it

   ED: This looks like a big action

   <shepazu> Zakim: remind me in 3 hours to oastarstarl

   AE: That means we'd have to reference another spec
   ... I guess I don't understand what you're going to replace it with

   <ed> [81]http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Views/views.html

     [81] http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-2-Views/views.html

   <ed> it's a Recommendation

   RESOLUTION: We will replace Global with Abstract View

   <scribe> ACTION: Cameron to replace Global with Abstract View and
   add the reference [recorded in
   [82]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action07]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2176 - Replace Global with Abstract View
   and add the reference [on Cameron McCormack - due 2008-08-31].

   <scribe> ACTION: Erik to Binary to Drop the connection interface
   [recorded in
   [83]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action08]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2177 - Binary to Drop the connection
   interface [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-08-31].

Test Suite Review

   DS: If it turns out that there is more interest in connection than
   we thought
   ... we could always make a module

   ED: Yes that should be something outside of the SVG WG

   [84]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-204-t.svg

     [84] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-204-t.svg

   DS: Yes there is the Network spec in Web Apps

   ED: The last one is using Parse XML

Static Attribute

   <heycam>
   [85]http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-SVG12-20041027/painting.html#static
   -property

     [85] http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-SVG12-20041027/painting.html#static-property

   DS: Looks like it wouldn't take much time to put in

   ED: I don't think true and false are good values

   AG: I don't think they are good either

   CM: What about a different property name?
   ... buffer?

   AE: Cache?
   ... we liked Static
   ... because it tells you what it's doing
   ... What about values Enable, Disable, Auto?

   ED: We have shape rendering, image rendering
   ... can we add this to one of the already existing properties

   DS: What about "rendering"
   ... with "static", "dynamic" and "auto"
   ... what about cached rendering?

   AE: buffer-intent? cache-intent?

   CM: I wouldn't mind buffered-rendering
   ... you're hinting for the speed

   RESOLUTION: We will add buffered-rendering with values dynamic,
   static and auto

   <scribe> ACTION: Emmons to Add buffered-rendering to the
   specification and create a test [recorded in
   [86]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action09]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2178 - Add buffered-rendering to the
   specification and create a test [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-08-31].

Test Suite Review

   [87]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-204-t.svg

     [87] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-204-t.svg

   <ed> approved

   [88]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-205-t.svg

     [88] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-205-t.svg

Timer Interface

   CM: I'd like to move timer from the Global module to the SVG module
   ... the only thing in the Global Module is the timer interface
   ... I'd prefer to put it in SVG Module because it's the only way to
   create a timer is the SVG Global interface
   ... which is also in the SVG Module
   ... I think we have less of a right to create things in the DOM
   Module

   RESOLUTION: We will move timer from Global to the SVG Module and
   remove the Global Module

   <scribe> ACTION: Cameron to Move timer from Global to the SVG Module
   and remove the Global Module [recorded in
   [89]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action10]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-2179 - Move timer from Global to the SVG
   Module and remove the Global Module [on Cameron McCormack - due
   2008-08-31].

Test Suite Review

   [90]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-205-t.svg

     [90] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-205-t.svg

   <ed> leave as unapproved for now

   [91]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-208-t.svg

     [91] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-208-t.svg

   <ed> opera needs null instead of empty strings there I think

   [92]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-209-t.svg

     [92] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-209-t.svg

   <ed> approved

   <ed>
   [93]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-208-t.svg
   left as unapproved for now

     [93] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-dom-208-t.svg

   [94]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-205-t.sv
   g

     [94] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-205-t.svg

   CM: I'll change the past criteria

   <ed> approved after those changes

   [95]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-208-t.sv
   g

     [95] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-208-t.svg

   <ed> approved after changing the text on the slide (circle should
   stay black, it shouldn't turn blue)

   [96]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-210-t.sv
   g

     [96] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-event-210-t.svg

   approved after changing the test slightly and adding a visual
   description

   [97]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-node-203-t.svg

     [97] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-node-203-t.svg

   [98]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-node-203-t.svg

     [98] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-node-203-t.svg

   left as unapproved for now

   [99]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-203-t.svg

     [99] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-203-t.svg

   left as unapproved for now

   [100]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-206-t.svg

    [100] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-206-t.svg

   approved

   [101]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-207-t.svg

    [101] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-207-t.svg

   left as unapproved for now

   [102]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-212-t.svg

    [102] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-212-t.svg

   left as unapproved for now

   [103]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-213-t.svg

    [103] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-213-t.svg

   modifying test by adding an animation

   approved

   [104]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-214-t.svg

    [104] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-214-t.svg

   left as unapproved for now

   [105]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-215-t.svg

    [105] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-215-t.svg

   <ed> AE: there are similar tests, so leave this one as unapproved
   for now

   <ed> ...let's remove udom-svg-214-t and 215-t because we have
   overlapping tests that are approved already

   [106]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-220-t.svg

    [106] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-220-t.svg

   approved

   [107]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-221-t.svg

    [107] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-221-t.svg

   <ed> leave as unapproved

   [108]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-222-t.svg

    [108] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-222-t.svg

   <ed> leave as unapproved

   [109]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-223-t.svg

    [109] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-223-t.svg

   <ed> leave as unapproved

   [110]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-230-t.svg

    [110] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svg-230-t.svg

   <ed> invalid, must check all forms of the color

   <ed> leave as unapproved

   [111]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svgmatrix-205
   -t.svg

    [111] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svgmatrix-205-t.svg

   <ed> approved

   [112]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svgmatrix-206
   -t.svg

    [112] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-svgmatrix-206-t.svg

   <ed> approved

   [113]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-traitaccess-2
   01-t.svg

    [113] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-traitaccess-201-t.svg

   <ed> approved

   [114]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-traitaccess-2
   02-t.svg

    [114] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/udom-traitaccess-202-t.svg

   <ed> pass criteria could be better

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Cameron to Move timer from Global to the SVG Module
   and remove the Global Module [recorded in
   [115]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action10]
   [NEW] ACTION: Cameron to reinstate the qname type and make animation
   attributeName="" use that type in the schema and the spec [recorded
   in [116]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Cameron to replace Global with Abstract View and add
   the reference [recorded in
   [117]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action07]
   [NEW] ACTION: ed to figure out what's bork-bork-borken with the
   right red rect in struct-discard-203-t.svg [recorded in
   [118]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action06]
   [NEW] ACTION: ed to fix the interact-pevents-01-t.svg test to
   replace usage of on-attributes with xml-event handlers and also add
   pointer-events=boundingbox to the test [recorded in
   [119]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: ed to remove the 'this' keyword binding in the
   'handler' element, and investigate if the execution of the handler
   content is actually like a Function object or if the contents are
   put in the global scope [recorded in
   [120]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action05]
   [NEW] ACTION: ed to review linking-a-202-t.svg [recorded in
   [121]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: ed to review linking-a-203-t.svg [recorded in
   [122]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action04]
   [NEW] ACTION: Emmons to Add buffered-rendering to the specification
   and create a test [recorded in
   [123]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action09]
   [NEW] ACTION: Erik to Binary to Drop the connection interface
   [recorded in
   [124]http://www.w3.org/2008/08/24-svg-minutes.html#action08]

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