www-webont-wg@w3.org from February 2002 by author

Dan Brickley

• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Monday, 18 February)
• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Monday, 18 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Thursday, 14 February)

Dan Connolly

• semantics: layering...? [was: Next steps (Action: all)] (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Need final input! (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: Lexical representations (Thursday, 21 February)
• pls cite DMOZ next to Ontoweb (Thursday, 21 February)
• minutes: WebOnt Telecon Feb 21 (for review) (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: WOWG - Reqdoc - please respond! (Thursday, 21 February)
• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: UPDATE: examples of layering (Friday, 15 February)
• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Thursday, 14 February)
• Re: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Thursday, 14 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (pubrules stuff) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• use cases: pls elaborate portal use case a bit, etc. (Wednesday, 13 February)
• "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Saturday, 9 February)
• Re: URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Friday, 8 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Friday, 8 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (SOTD) (Friday, 8 February)
• URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Friday, 8 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (Friday, 8 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (Friday, 8 February)

Deborah McGuinness

• Re: REQDOC: Changes from last version (Wednesday, 27 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Changes from last version (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: REQDOC: closed worlds (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Monday, 18 February)
• Re: ADMIN: 3rd face to face - July 1-2, 2002 - San Francisco, CA, USA, req. for info on 4th f2f dates. (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Thursday, 14 February)
• regrets in advance for upcoming meetings (Thursday, 7 February)

Dieter Fensel

• http://www.cs.vu.nl/~dieter/mm/webont/ (Thursday, 28 February)
• with some delay the video of our first f2f (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Thursday, 14 February)
• Re: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Saturday, 9 February)
• I have to apologize for the phone conference this day (Thursday, 7 February)

Evan Wallace

• Introduction (Thursday, 28 February)

Frank van Harmelen

• F2F: registration page available (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Changes from last version (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: REQDOC: closed worlds (Tuesday, 26 February)
• REQDOC: closed worlds (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: UbiComp Use Case (was: Re: Requirements Document) (Sunday, 17 February)
• Re: On Standardization of the Web Ontology Language - Trends & Controversies Section (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Thursday, 14 February)
• Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document (Tuesday, 12 February)
• Re: Antwort: Re: Fwd: logics of RDF (Saturday, 2 February)

Graham Klyne

• Layering the Semantic Web: Problems and Directions (Thursday, 21 February)

Guus Schreiber

• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Thursday, 28 February)
• ADMIN: agenda/logistics Feb 28 telecon (Tuesday, 26 February)
• ADMIN: reqdoc procedure (Monday, 25 February)
• Next steps (Action: all) (Monday, 25 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: WOWG - Reqdoc - please respond! (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Friday, 22 February)
• Telecon (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: ADMIN: 4th f2f Bristol (Monday, 18 February)
• ADMIN: 4th f2f Bristol (Monday, 18 February)
• ADMIN: Re: preliminary record of minutes of tele-con of 7th February 2002 (Friday, 8 February)
• ADMIN: teleconf prep (Wednesday, 6 February)
• ADMIN: Ageanda/logistics Feb 7 (Wednesday, 6 February)

Ian Horrocks

• Re: ADMIN: agenda/logistics Feb 28 telecon (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: AW: AW: Lexical representations (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: AW: Lexical representations (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: Antwort: Re: Fwd: logics of RDF (Sunday, 3 February)

Jeff Heflin

• Re: REQDOC: Changes from last version (Wednesday, 27 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Wednesday, 27 February)
• Re: REQDOC: recommended change (not copyedit) (Wednesday, 27 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Copy-editing comments (long, boring to non-editors) (Wednesday, 27 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Changes from last version (Wednesday, 27 February)
• REQDOC: Changes from last version (Tuesday, 26 February)
• REQDOC: New Version. Please read by Thursday (Tuesday, 26 February)
• REQDOC: Need final input! (Monday, 25 February)
• REQDOC: New Draft (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Change List from Editors (Wednesday, 20 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Change List from Editors (Wednesday, 20 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: use cases: pls elaborate portal use case a bit, etc. (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (Thursday, 14 February)
• Re: preliminary record of minutes of tele-con of 7th February 2002 (Thursday, 7 February)
• Requirements Document (Thursday, 7 February)

Jeremy Carroll

• RE: APOLOGY to WOWG (Friday, 22 February)
• RE: Lexical representations (Friday, 22 February)
• RE: Lexical representations (Friday, 22 February)
• Lexical representations (Thursday, 21 February)
• RE: The Peter paradox isn't. (Thursday, 21 February)
• RE: The Peter paradox isn't. (Thursday, 21 February)
• RE: ADMIN: 4th f2f Bristol (Wednesday, 20 February)
• RE: Patel-Schneider Paradox ... (Tuesday, 19 February)
• RE: Apologies for next two meetings (Monday, 4 February)

Jim Hendler

• Re: semantics: layering...? [was: Next steps (Action: all)] (Thursday, 28 February)
• ALL: Re: Next steps (Action: all) (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Need final input! (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: ADMIN: agenda/logistics Feb 28 telecon (Tuesday, 26 February)
• REQDOC: recommended change (not copyedit) (Tuesday, 26 February)
• REQDOC: Copy-editing comments (long, boring to non-editors) (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Tuesday, 26 February)
• REQDOC: Working Drafts and Note (W3C Adv Board Resolution) (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: Next steps (Action: all) (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Lynn's secret comments (LONG) (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: proposed rewording to 'tagging' requirement. (Thursday, 21 February)
• APOLOGY to WOWG (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: WOWG - Reqdoc - please respond! (Thursday, 21 February)
• WOWG - Reqdoc - please respond! (Wednesday, 20 February)
• Reqs doc closure (was Re: ALL HANDS - agenda/logistics - Telecon Feb 21) (Wednesday, 20 February)
• ALL HANDS - agenda/logistics - Telecon Feb 21 (Wednesday, 20 February)
• U Maryland Mail problems (Tuesday, 19 February)
• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Monday, 18 February)
• Re: use cases: pls elaborate portal use case a bit, etc. (Sunday, 17 February)
• Re: On Standardization of the Web Ontology Language - Trends & Controversies Section (Sunday, 17 February)
• ADMIN: 3rd face to face - July 1-2, 2002 - San Francisco, CA, USA, req. for info on 4th f2f dates. (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Friday, 15 February)
• RDF/XML and charter - WG please note (was UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL) (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (Thursday, 14 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Thursday, 14 February)
• TIME CRITICAL: (All members) Review of Requirements document (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• RE: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• ADMIN f2f location for July pending (Sunday, 10 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Sunday, 10 February)
• ADMIN: No telecon Feb 14 (Sunday, 10 February)
• MISC: Where's the chair? (Sunday, 10 February)
• Fwd: Call for participation for the W3C workshop on delivery context (Sunday, 3 February)
• ADMIN: Ammend Minutes of 1/31 telecon (Friday, 1 February)

Jonathan Borden

• Re: REQDOC: Need final input! (Wednesday, 27 February)
• Re: The Peter paradox isn't. (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: The Peter paradox isn't. (Thursday, 21 February)
• Introduction: Jonathan Borden (Thursday, 21 February)

Jonathan Dale

• Teleconf regrets for7 March (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: Next steps (Action: all) (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: REQDOC: HTML structure is broken (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: ADMIN: 4th f2f Bristol (Tuesday, 19 February)
• REQDOC: Change List from Editors (Tuesday, 19 February)
• Apologies for next two meetings (Saturday, 2 February)

Jos De_Roo

• Re: Next steps (Action: all) (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Lynn's secret comments (LONG) (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Sunday, 10 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Saturday, 9 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Saturday, 9 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Friday, 8 February)

larry.eshelman@philips.com

• Intro for new (alternate) member to WebOnt (Thursday, 28 February)

Leo Obrst

• Re: Next steps (Action: all) (Thursday, 28 February)
• joining late... (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: Lexical representations (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: proposed rewording to 'tagging' requirement. (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: Lexical representations (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: APOLOGY to WOWG (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: AW: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Thursday, 14 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Monday, 11 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Monday, 11 February)
• regrets 2/7 meeting (Sunday, 3 February)

Libby Miller

• Webont usecase - uniquestatic property (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: ADMIN: agenda/logistics Feb 28 telecon (Tuesday, 26 February)
• regrets 2002-02-07 telecon (Thursday, 7 February)

Ludger van Elst

• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Thursday, 14 February)

Lynn Andrea Stein

• REQDOC: Lynn's secret comments (LONG) (Friday, 22 February)
• ADMIN: reqdoc scheduling (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: WOWG - Reqdoc - please respond! (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: WOWG - Reqdoc - please respond! (Thursday, 21 February)

Marwan Sabbouh

• possible regrets for today's telecon (Thursday, 28 February)

Mike Dean

• Re: ADMIN: agenda/logistics Feb 28 telecon (Wednesday, 27 February)
• Re: proposed rewording to 'tagging' requirement. (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: AW: REQDOC: Removal of digital keys (Thursday, 21 February)
• REQDOC: missing/implicit WebOnt requirements (Tuesday, 19 February)

Nick Gibbins

• Re: Lexical representations (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Thursday, 21 February)

Ora Lassila

• Re: Proposed addition to use-cases document (Sunday, 24 February)
• Re: APOLOGY to WOWG (Friday, 22 February)
• RE: The Peter paradox isn't. (Thursday, 21 February)
• XML Considered Harmful (Thursday, 21 February)
• REQDOC: HTML structure is broken (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: UbiComp Use Case (was: Re: Requirements Document) (Tuesday, 19 February)
• Re: incorporating constructs with no formal meaning (was ....) (Tuesday, 19 February)
• Re: Patel-Schneider Paradox ... (Monday, 18 February)
• UbiComp Use Case (was: Re: Requirements Document) (Sunday, 17 February)

Pat Hayes

• Re: semantics: layering...? [was: Next steps (Action: all)] (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: Next steps (Action: all) (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: Next steps (Action: all) (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: Still no paradox (was: Re: The Peter paradox isn't.) (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Names in ontologies (was: Re: Lexical representations) (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: REQDOC: New Draft (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: pls cite DMOZ next to Ontoweb (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: proposed rewording to 'tagging' requirement. (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: Lexical representations (Friday, 22 February)
• Still no paradox (was: Re: The Peter paradox isn't.) (Friday, 22 February)
• proposed rewording to 'tagging' requirement. (Thursday, 21 February)
• RE: The Peter paradox isn't. (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Change List from Editors (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: The Peter paradox isn't. (Tuesday, 19 February)
• Re: incorporating constructs with no formal meaning (was ....) (Monday, 18 February)
• Re: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Monday, 18 February)
• Re: Patel-Schneider Paradox ... (Monday, 18 February)
• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: Patel-Schneider Paradox ... (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: REQDOC: reification (Saturday, 16 February)
• The Peter paradox isn't. (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document (Friday, 15 February)
• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: Antwort: Re: Fwd: logics of RDF (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: Antwort: Re: Fwd: logics of RDF (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: How to layer the semantic web properly? (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: layering (was Re: Patel-Schneider Paradox ...) (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: antifoundation, flat, wellfounded (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: Patel-Schneider Paradox ... (Friday, 15 February)
• RE: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Friday, 15 February)
• REQDOC:stating closed worlds (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: REQDOC: reification (Friday, 15 February)
• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Friday, 15 February)

Peter F. Patel-Schneider

• Re: semantics: layering...? [was: Next steps (Action: all)] (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: Next steps (Action: all) (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: Next steps (Action: all) (Thursday, 28 February)
• Re: Still no paradox (was: Re: The Peter paradox isn't.) (Tuesday, 26 February)
• Re: Still no paradox (was: Re: The Peter paradox isn't.) (Friday, 22 February)
• Re: Lexical representations (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: Layering the Semantic Web: Problems and Directions (Thursday, 21 February)
• RE: The Peter paradox isn't. (Thursday, 21 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Change List from Editors (Wednesday, 20 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Change List from Editors (Wednesday, 20 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Change List from Editors (Wednesday, 20 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Change List from Editors (Wednesday, 20 February)
• Re: ALL HANDS - agenda/logistics - Telecon Feb 21 (Wednesday, 20 February)
• Re: REQDOC: Change List from Editors (Wednesday, 20 February)
• Re: The Peter paradox isn't. (Wednesday, 20 February)
• Re: The Peter paradox isn't. (Tuesday, 19 February)
• Re: ADMIN: 4th f2f Bristol (Monday, 18 February)
• incorporating constructs with no formal meaning (was ....) (Monday, 18 February)
• Re: Patel-Schneider Paradox ... (Saturday, 16 February)
• Re: Patel-Schneider Paradox ... (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: REQDOC: reification (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (Friday, 15 February)
• RE: URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: ADMIN: 3rd face to face (regrets) (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Friday, 15 February)
• UPDATE: examples of layering (Friday, 15 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Thursday, 14 February)
• Re: REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Thursday, 14 February)
• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Thursday, 14 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (Thursday, 14 February)
• REQDOC: reification (Thursday, 14 February)
• REQDOC: ontologies as resources (Thursday, 14 February)
• UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• Re: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document (Tuesday, 12 February)
• UPDATE: subject line meaning (Tuesday, 12 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Monday, 11 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Monday, 11 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Sunday, 10 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Saturday, 9 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Saturday, 9 February)
• Re: UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Saturday, 9 February)
• Re: URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Saturday, 9 February)
• Re: URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Friday, 8 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (Friday, 8 February)
• Re: Requirements Document (Thursday, 7 February)
• UPDATE: longer version of layering document (Thursday, 7 February)
• Re: ADMIN: Ageanda/logistics Feb 7 (Wednesday, 6 February)
• Registration for KR2002 - Knowledge Representation Conference (Monday, 4 February)
• Re: UPDATE: document on layering OWL on top of RDF (Friday, 1 February)

Raphael Volz

• AW: AW: AW: Lexical representations (Tuesday, 26 February)
• AW: AW: Lexical representations (Tuesday, 26 February)
• AW: Lexical representations (Monday, 25 February)
• Excuse for tomorrows' telcon (Wednesday, 20 February)
• AW: REQDOC: Removal of digital keys (Wednesday, 20 February)
• AW: "what is an ontology?" stuff in requirements abstract/intro (Friday, 15 February)
• Regrets 2/7 TelCon (Thursday, 7 February)

ruediger.klein@daimlerchrysler.com

• regrets for 14th and 21st February Telecons (Friday, 8 February)

Sandro Hawke

• Re: UPDATE: document on layering OWL on top of RDF (Friday, 1 February)
• Re: UPDATE: document on layering OWL on top of RDF (Friday, 1 February)

Smith, Michael K

• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Saturday, 16 February)
• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Friday, 15 February)
• RE: URIs for terms: motivation [was: Requirements Document] (Friday, 15 February)
• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Friday, 15 February)
• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Thursday, 14 February)

Smith, Ned

• RE: REQDOC: Need final input! (Wednesday, 27 February)
• RE: REQDOC: Need final input! (Wednesday, 27 February)
• RE: REQDOC: Need final input! (Wednesday, 27 February)
• Proposed addition to use-cases document (Saturday, 23 February)

Steffen Staab

• On Standardization of the Web Ontology Language - Trends & Controversies Section (Saturday, 16 February)

Stephen Buswell

• RE: I have to apologize for the phone conference this day (Thursday, 7 February)

Ziv Hellman

• RE: UPDATE: why RDF syntax is not suitable for OWL (Thursday, 14 February)
• RE: DOCUMENT: Layering document review (was Re: UPDATE: status of longer version of layering document) (Wednesday, 13 February)
• record of minutes of tele-con of 7th February 2002 (corrected based on comments) (Sunday, 10 February)
• preliminary record of minutes of tele-con of 7th February 2002 (Thursday, 7 February)

Last message date: Thursday, 28 February 2002 18:02:17 UTC