- From: Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 16:16:26 -0500
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Agenda: WS-Policy WG F2F 24 - 2007-01-16 to 2007-01-18
The WS-Policy WG will meet F2F in San Francisco, CA from Jan 16-18, 2007.
http://www.w3.org/2007/01/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html
The phone number to use for the WS-Policy WG F2F is documented on the WG's
administrative home page:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#phone
Participants are invited to join IRC channel #ws-policy as documented on
the WG's administrative home page. Please register with Zakim:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Aug/0012.html
Tuesday Jan 16
1. Roll call and selection of secretary, Chair (9:00 am PST)
a) Scribe List:
Toufic Boubez (Tue AM F2F)
Frederick Hirsch (Tue PM F2F)
Felix Sasaki (Wed AM F2F)
Prasad Yendluri (Wed PM F2F)
Dimitar Angelov
Sanjiva Weerawarana
Ruchith Fernando
Jeffrey Crump
Tom Jordahl
Vladislav Bezrukov
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Jeff Mischkinsky
Abbie Barbir
Anthony Nadalin
Ashok Malhotra
Daniel Roth
Sergey Beryozkin
Charlton Barreto
Sanka Samaranayake
Fabian Ritzmann
David Orchard
Yakov Sverdlov
Ümit Yalçinalp
Asir Vedamuthu
Maryann Hondo
Dale Moberg
Chris Ferris
Mark Little
Monica Martin
Glen Daniels
William Henry
b) Scribe FAQ (Updated)
Member only:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html
2. Review and approval of last week's telcon minutes, Chair (9:05 am PST)
a) Review and approval of 2007-01-10 minutes, Chair
Draft minutes (member only):
http://www.w3.org/2007/01/10-ws-policy-minutes.html
3. Future WG meetings, Chair (9:10 am PST)
a) Next distributed meeting is Wed Jan 31 - Chair is TBD.
b) Future meetings
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#meetings
c) Mar F2F meeting hosting offer from WebMethods
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Jan/0000.html
d) Future meeting schedule including F2F meetings after Mar 2007 meeting
e) Dinner/Social, DaveO
4. Editorial team report (9:20 am PST)
Current Editors drafts:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/#drafts
a) Update WS-Policy Editor's drafts, Editors
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0052.html
b) ACTION-172 Produce a proposal for resolving issue 4041 by January 10
Editors
DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0070.html
5. Review action items, Chair (9:30 am PST)
Open action items:
Member only:
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/open
ACTION-172 Produce a proposal for resolving issue 4041 by January 10
Editors
DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0070.html
ACTION-173 Add the change proposal to Issue 4045 Christopher Ferris
Status: pending, due 1/5/07
ACTION-174 See what XPointer are in line with WSDL and syntax David
Orchard
Status: Done
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0095.html
ACTION-179 OPEN And Ashok to come up with complete wording/proposal for
EPR-related LC issue regarding policy attachment. Glen Daniels 2007-01-10
ACTION-181 OPEN And Maryann to come up with a new version of the wording
for the last sentence of sec 4.3.2, as an amended proposal for 4142 Umit
Yalcinalp 2007-01-10
ACTION-182 OPEN File a new issue against primer/guidelines suggesting the
need for examples of intersection with/without empty wsp:Policy (see issue
4142) Umit Yalcinalp 2007-01-10
ACTION-183 OPEN Research ownership of "Contoso" name/trademark. Asir
Vedamuthu 2007-01-10
ACTION-185 OPEN Look into hosting March F2F Abbie Barbir 2007-01-17
ACTION-186 OPEN to send response to XML Core WG regarding review of C14N
draft Paul Cotton 2007-01-17
ACTION-187 OPEN O to send an email with clear set of alternatives for
issue 4127 David Orchard 2007-01-17
Status: Done
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0092.html
ACTION-188 OPEN Create a bug to change in,out ->input, output in fragment
syntax David Orchard 2007-01-17
6. Liaison items (9:45 am PST)
None.
7. Last Call reviews from other WGs (9:45 am PST)
a) C14N 1.1 Last Call review announcement, XML Core WG
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2006OctDec/0109.html
Paul's previous review from Oct 2006:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Oct/0142
Status: Paul is trying to determine if the Last Call documents have
changed from the WDs he reviewed in Oct.
ACTION-186 OPEN to send response to XML Core WG regarding review of C14N
draft Paul Cotton 2007-01-17
b) [NEW ISSUE] 4210 WSDL WG Editorial comments on Framework
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0098.html
c) [NEW ISSUE] 4211 WSDL WG Editorial comments on Attachment
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0099.html
8. Framework and Attachments Last Call issues, Part I (9:50 am PST)
a) NEW ISSUE 4138: Normalization Algorithm is broken, Umit
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0011.html
Status: members need time to consider this
b) NEW ISSUE 4141: Policy parameter definition is not accurate, Umit
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0013.html
Status: Umit and Dan have action-180
ACTION-180 OPEN And Dan to discuss resolution of 4141 and come back with
an amended proposal for 2007-01-10. Umit Yalcinalp 2007-01-10
DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0025.html
c) NEW ISSUE 4142: Contradictory recommendation for nesting and
intersection, Umit
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0014.html
Status: Umit and Maryann have action-181
ACTION-181 OPEN And Maryann to come up with a new version of the wording
for the last sentence of sec 4.3.2, as an amended proposal for 4142 Umit
Yalcinalp 2007-01-10
d) WS-RX review (informal), Ashok
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0077.html
9. Break (10:30 am PST)
10. Framework and Attachments Last Call issues, Part II (10:50 am PST)
a) [NEW ISSUE] 4150 Duplicate text exists in Section 3 and 3.2,
PolicyAttachment, Monica
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0027.html
b) WS-Addressing comments relating to WS-Policy LC
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0037.html
d) [NEW ISSUE] 4177 Disambiguate notational convention for choice syntax,
Fabian
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0056.html
e) [NEW ISSUE]: LC Comments from SAWSDL WG
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0064.html
f) NEW Issue: How to ignore some "ignorable" assertions only?, Prasad
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0072.html
11. Lunch (12:30 pm PST)
12. Framework and Attachements Last call issues, Part III (1:30 pm PST)
a) [NEW ISSUE]: Clarify namespace restrictions
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4196
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0078.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0096.html
b) Inconsistency on treatment of unknown extensibility elements
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4197
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0079.html
c) WS-RX review (informal), Ashok
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0077.html
d) [NEW ISSUE]: 4203 Introduction misleading (Framework)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0085.html
e) [NEW ISSUE]: 4204 misleading text in sect 2.3 (Framework)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0087.html
f) [NEW ISSUE]: 4205 editorial nits WS-Policy 1.5 - Framework
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0088.html
g) [NEW ISSUE]: 4206 Clarify treatment of policy assertion parameters in
compatibility determination
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0089.html
h) [NEW ISSUE]: 4207 misleading text in sect 2.2 (Attachments)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0090.html
i) [NEW Issue 4209] Example 3.1 does not follow the algorithm in merging
policies
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0097.html
j) [NEW ISSUE] 4224 Section 4, last paragraph content is too restrictive -
policy element information items are processed in multiple contexts
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0121.html
k) [NEW ISSUE] 4225 (was RE: Editorial issues in the Framework spec
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0125.html
l) [NEW ISSUE] 4226 (was RE: Editorial issues in the Attachment spec
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0124.html
13. Candidate Recommendation schedule and exit criteria (2:30 pm PST)
14. Break (3:30 pm PST)
15. WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers (3:50 pm PST)
a) Dec Editor's Draft:
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/wsdl11elementidentifiers.html
See note from David:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0048.html
b) ACTION-156 OPEN Respond to 1.1 element names topic Ashok Malhotra DONE.
See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0128.html
ACTION-171 Raise this technical issue (form of the
portType/operation/message designator) with jonathan Paul Cotton
DONE.
Ashok raised the matter with the WSDL WG. See thread starting at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0058.html
See WSDL WG's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0092.html
Also see the thread regarding the "In/Out" designators:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0100.html
ACTION-188 OPEN Create a bug to change in,out ->input, output in fragment
syntax David Orchard 2007-01-17
c) ISSUE 4045: Scoping WSDL1.1 identifiers to WS-Pol Att defined
attachment points
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4045
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0031.html
ACTION-173 Add the change proposal to Issue 4045 Christopher Ferris
d) 'Canonical form for WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers', Paul
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0028.html
ACTION-174 See what XPointer are in line with WSDL and syntax David
Orchard
Status: Done
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0095.html
e) Support for operations with the same name, Fabian
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0065.html
ACTION-175 Open an issue related to operations with the same name. Fabian
Ritzmann
DONE.
ACTION-187 OPEN O to send an email with clear set of alternatives for
issue 4127 David Orchard 2007-01-17
Status: Done
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0092.html
f) [NEW ISSUE] 4208: identifiers should use WSDL 1.1 element names not
WSDL 2.0 component names
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0094.html
16. Recess (5:00 pm PST)
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Wednesday Jan 17
1. Primer issues 9:00 am PST)
a) ACTION-152 Review 4.4.8 with respect to the addition of the ignorable
attribute ("treasure island") due December 1, David Orchard DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0070.html
Status: David outlined his proposal at the Dec 20 meeting. The WG has
until Jan 10 to decide if it should be adopted.
b) (NEW) ISSUE 4041: Update primer to mention ignorable as needed,
Frederick
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4041
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0026.html
ACTION-172 Produce a proposal for resolving issue 4041 by January 10
Editors
c) [NEW ISSUE] 4103 Questionable use of Contoso Ltd in Primer, Chris
Ferris
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4103
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0077.html
See thread ending at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0102.html
Status: Asir and Chris have actions 183, 184 respectively
ACTION-183 OPEN Research ownership of "Contoso" name/trademark. Asir
Vedamuthu 2007-01-10
ACTION-184 OPEN Follow-up on arch of www doc\\'s use of a company name
Christopher Ferris 2007-01-10
d) [NEW ISSUE] 4212, 4213 Use of empty policy for nesting should be
exemplified
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0100.html
2. Break (10:30 am PST)
3. Guidelines issues Part I (10:50 am PST)
a) 3953 - Remove language that use of security policy assertions forces
nested assertions for other domains, Frederick
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3953
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0039.html
Status: Frederick's update proposal against more recent Guidelines doc:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0008.html
Revised proposal, closing Action-176:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0090.html
ACTION-163 Work with Frederick to draft an example of the RM and security
composition requiring nesting Umit Yalcinalp 2006-12-13 DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0066.html
ACTION-176 Revise proposal to accommodate Chris Ferris\\\\' ideas. Umit to
assist. Issue 3953. Coordinate with MaryAnn and Chris Ferris. Frederick
Hirsch
Status: Done
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0090.html
b) 3979 Clarify the guidance in section 5.9.1 on referencing policy
expressions, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3979
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0104.html
ACTION-164 Try to write up alternative text that takes into consideration
today\\'s discussion on issue 3979 DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0071.html
c) ISSUE 4072: Statements not relevant to assertion design, Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4072
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0046.html
Fabian's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0063.html
d) ISSUE 4073: Free standing statements, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4073
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0049.html
e) ISSUE 4074: Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues, Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html
See exchange between Dan and Umit at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0085.html
4. Lunch (12:30 pm PST)
5. Guidelines issues Part II (1:30 pm PST)
f) ISSUE 4040: [Guidelines] Update guidelines to include discussion of
ignorable, Frederick http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4040
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0025.html
g) 3978 Clarify if Section 7 on defining new policy attachment mechanisms
is necessary, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3978
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0102.html
Maryann's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0131.html
h) 3989 Suggested format for the Guidelines document., Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3989
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0113.html
Maryann's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0132.html
Asir:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0139.html
Umit:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0141.html
i) 3988 Section 8 doesn't illustrate how to design an assertion., Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3988
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0112.html
Email discussion thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0000.html
j) ISSUE 4035: [ Guidelines] Section 2 should account for interop impact
of non-wire or one-party assertions and ignorable property
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html
6. Break (3:30 pm PST)
7. Guidelines issues Part III (3:50 pm PST)
k) ISSUE (4074): [Guidelines] Collection of unclear Guidance or text
issues, Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html
l) 3981 What is the relevance of Section 4 'Authoring Styles' to policy
assertion design?, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3981
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0107.html
n) 3986 Parameters vs. Nested Policy decision at the Domain Level?, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3986
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0110.html
m) 3987 Section 5.9 - Lifecycle of Assertions?, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3987
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0111.html
o) 3990 Content in Section 5.7 is unclear, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3990
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0114.html
p) [NEW ISSUE]: Policy assertion semantics independent of attachment
mechanism
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4198
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0083.html
8. V.Next issues (4:45 pm PST)
a) [V.Next] 4178 Declaration of policy domains in policy expressions
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0057.html
b) [V.Next] 4179 Preferences for policy expressions
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0058.html
9. Recess (5:00 pm PST)
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Thursday Jan 18
1. Any other business (9:00 am PST)
Note that we will use Thursday as overflow from the previous days
discussion,
to allow for proposals to be written, circulated, and reviewed, etc.
2. Break (10:30 am PST)
3. Any other business II (10:50 am PST)
4. Lunch (12:30 pm PST)
5. Any other business III (1:30 am PST)
6. Adjourn (3:00 pm PST)
Cheers,
Christopher Ferris
STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris
phone: +1 508 377 9295
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Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
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