Re: Agenda for 2011-01-04

My regrets to all, but I will not be attending today due to travel
considerations.

A few quick thoughts however:

1) Alain and I have both been chiming in regularly on the HTML/XML task
force lists. After some tense exchanges, I think people are settling down to
actually consider the problem domain at hand, which at the moment if
determining the use case set for various combinations of XML and HTML - XML
parsed in the HTML5 parser, HTML5 parsed in the XML parser, XML embedded in
HTML5, HTML5 embedded in XML and so forth. The discussion, at least for the
moment, seems to have shifted away somewhat from MicroXML, though that may
be revisited in the future.

2) One of the more problematic aspects of HTML5 is that you cannot use
pragmas or processing instructions, which means <?xml-stylesheet?> could be
an issue.

3) I have been trying to make the case for a null semantic <foreignContent>
element in HTML5, an element which would hold text, would not display or
search it, and most importantly that would not be parsed apriori by the
HTML5 engine. This could be used as a way of holding XML content that could
then manually be parsed by an XBL or related scripting environment.

Okay, have to run to catch a plane. Good luck, and I'll try to chime in more
when I can.

Kurt Cagle



On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.
<Leigh.Klotz@xerox.com>wrote:

> Chair: Leigh Klotz
> Start Time: 11:00am Eastern US (16:00Z, but back to 15:00Z during US DST)
> Zakim Bridge +1.617.761.6200, conference 93676 ("XFORM")
> Duration: 60 minutes
>
> Previous Minutes:
> - http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Minutes
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Dec/0037.html
>
> Minute takers rotation list, when not done by Leigh:
> Kenneth, Steven, Uli, Nick, John, Erik
>
> Action Items and Tracker
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Dec/0012.html
>
> =============
> AGENDA ITEMS:
> =============
> * = be ready to discuss
> + = discuss time permitting
>
> XForms Basic 1.0, 1.1
>
> ---------------------
> Administrative Issues
> ---------------------
>
> * Action Items and Tracker
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Dec/0012.html
>
> * IJCAI-11 CFP (Michael Chan)
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Dec/0015.html
>
> - Fix our shortname issue
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2007Nov/0096.html
> http://www.w3.org/2005/05/tr-versions
>
> - HTML/XHTML Compatibility Authoring Guidelines to FPWG
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jun/0002.html
> Leigh to review for group comment?
>
> * New last call for CSS 2.1
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Dec/0010.html
>
> ===============================
> PROGRESS ON WORKING GROUP GOALS
> ===============================
> ----------------------------
> XForms Implementor Questions
> ----------------------------
>
> ---------------------
> Form Author Questions
> ---------------------
>
> -----------------
> XForms 1.1 Issues
> -----------------
>
> * select1 and empty items
> Latest:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Dec/0041.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Dec/0016.html
> Previous Discussion:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Dec/0018.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Dec/0005.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Dec/0006.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Dec/0031.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Dec/0033.html
>
> + XForms 1.1 load erratum Awaiting move to XForms 1.1 wikispec erratum
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2010Nov/0000.html
>
> + XForms 1.1 typo Awaiting move to XForms 1.1 wikispec erratum
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2010Nov/0001.html
> Awaiting move to XForms 1.1 wikispec erratum
>
> - Improving the XForms 1.1 test suite
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2009Jun/0017.html
>
> - XForms 1.1 and XHTML+XForms1.1 XSD Schemas
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2009Nov/0003.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Mar/0001.html
> Owen Newnan has handed off his work
> Philip Fennel (was Leigh Klotz) to pick up
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Advancing XForms for HTML / XForms for XHTML
> --------------------------------------------
>
> + XHTML + XForms Validator
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Nov/0025.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Nov/0026.html
>
> - XHTML + XForms
> - Leigh has action to write goals document from Cambridge F2F minutes
> -- Goals
> -- Assertions
> -- Examples
> -- Test Suite
>
> - Rationalization of XForms for HTML, RDFa, and ARIA
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Mar/0044.html
>
> + XHTML + XForms Schema Update
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Sep/0031.html
> Needs directory created (2010?)
> Needs Leigh's updates for RNC schema agreement with errata
>
> - XForms 1.1 and XHTML+XForms1.1 RelaxNG Schemas
> Current status is that Philip Fennell is using NVDL to integrate
> Changes requested by Erik Bruchez not yet reviewed.
> Possibly need to produce a strict schema (maximal restriction of known
> interoperable usage) and a lax schema (for extensions).  Vendors will
> customize the strict schema to show what their implementations support, but
> not customize the lax schema.
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jan/0037.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jan/0019.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jan/0037.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jan/0037.html
>
> - Update TheMatrix
> http://www.w3.org/QA/TheMatrix
>
> ----------
> XForms 1.2
> ----------
> * XQuery
> New development: JavaScript XQuery library
> http://www.xqib.org/?p=15
>
> + Eventable and Presented
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Nov/0007.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Nov/0008.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Nov/0009.html
> What is the status?
>
> + XForms 1.2 Category
> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Category:XForms12
> Pick of the items below (or in the category) and discuss for n minutes.
>
> + base64 encoding for HTTP Basic Authentication - a gap in the XForms
> function library? (RFE)
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Sep/0012.html
> Updated info:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Sep/0050.html
>
> + XForms 1.2 regex and REPLACE functions
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Sep/0051.html
>
> + eBMS Submission
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Sep/0037.html
>
> +  C. M. Sperberg-McQueen observation on tabbed interfaces, focus, etc
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Sep/0055.html
> Need someone to dis-entangle the issues and see what's 1.1/1.2/2.0
>
> - Making XForms 1.2 more RESTful: submission URI Templates and matrix URIs
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Sep/0020.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Sep/0033.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Sep/0039.html
>
> - Dealing with HTTP response entities when response code is not 200 series
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Sep/0006.html
>
> + XSLT Action Proposal from Claudius Teodorescu
> Old thread:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Sep/0036.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Sep/0027.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Sep/0000.html
> New action, now includes XProc
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Nov/0000.html
>
> + @iterate
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010May/0005.html
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010May/att-0025/2010-05-26.html#topic6
> Continue discussing from last month weeks ago
>
> + Improved UI Events
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Oct/0010.html
> Status?
>
> + Dependencies for XPath Evaluation
> Question from Alain Couthures
> Cross-posted:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Apr/0031.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Apr/0024.html
>
> + node creation functions
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Apr/0024.html
>
> + model/@src use cases
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Apr/0003.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Apr/0004.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Apr/0005.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Apr/0017.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Apr/0018.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Apr/0019.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Apr/0020.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Apr/0021.html
> Awaiting proposals (XBL2 profile, XI, others) from Leigh, Erik, John,
> Steven
>
> + XForms initialization use case
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Feb/0015.html
>
> - Submit and Trigger Availability during (multiple) submissions
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jan/0022.html
>
> - The case for multiple XForms labels in a control
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Dec/0027.html
>
> + XML Events: proposal to extend filtering on the event phase
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jan/0018.html
>
> * JSON Serialization / Badgerfish
> Latest from Alain Couthures:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Dec/0014.html
> Previously:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Mar/0036.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Mar/0040.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Mar/0041.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Mar/0043.html
> http://www.w3.org/2009/06/25-forms-minutes.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jan/0043.html
> http://www.agencexml.com/jsoncallback/wikipediasearch.xml
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms/2010Feb/0003.html
> http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4627.txt
>
> * JSON / Alain Couthures XML Prague paper
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Dec/0032.html
> More discussion?
>
> - Better upload facilities
> -- Instant upload submission to server
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Oct/0061.html
> -- Easier handling of multiple uploads
> -- Easier extraction of an upload back to the end-user context
> -- Easier request to display an upload
> -- Better control of metadata associated with upload data
> -- http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6/releasenotes/
> -- multiple upload control?
> -- download?
>
> + Access Control / Cross-site requests ; Uniform Messaging Policy, Level
> One
> http://www.w3.org/TR/access-control/
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Jan/0042.html
> Is John Boyer willing to take this on?
>
> - Submission namespace inclusion should recognize QName data nodes
> Needs owner
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2009Nov/0002.html
>
> - Repeats and web service submissions don't work well together
> Needs owner
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Nov/0021.html
>
> ----------
> XForms 2.0
> ----------
>
> * W3C HTML/XML Task Force
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2010Dec/0034.html
> Report from Alain Couthures or Kurt Cagle?
>
> For more, see:
> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Future_Goals
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