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Agenda: WS-Policy WG distributed meeting 31 - 2007-03-07

From: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:48:50 -0800
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Agenda: WS-Policy WG distributed meeting 31 - 2007-03-07

The phone number to use for the WS-Policy WG F2F is documented on the WG's administrative home page:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#phone

Participants are invited to join IRC channel #ws-policy as documented on the WG's administrative home page. Please register with Zakim:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Aug/0012.html

1. Roll call and selection of secretary, Chair

a) Scribe List:

Abbie Barbir (scribe for 2007-03-07)
Dimitar Angelov
Sanjiva Weerawarana
Ruchith Fernando
Jeffrey Crump
Tom Jordahl
Vladislav Bezrukov
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Jeff Mischkinsky
Sanka Samaranayake
Yakov Sverdlov
Ümit Yalçinalp
Asir Vedamuthu
Maryann Hondo
Dale Moberg
Chris Ferris
Mark Little
Monica Martin
Glen Daniels
William Henry
Toufic Boubez
Frederick Hirsch
Felix Sasaki
Prasad Yendluri
Anthony Nadalin
Daniel Roth
Fabian Ritzmann
Sergey Beryozkin
Charlton Barreto
David Orchard
Ashok Malhotra

b) Scribe FAQ (Updated)
Member only:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html

2. Review and approval of telcon minutes, Chair

a) Review and approval of 2007-02-28 minutes
Draft minutes:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0179.html

3. Future WG meetings, Chair

a) Next meeting is Sunnyvale, Ca F2F Mar 13-15 - Chair will alternate between Chris and Paul
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html

b) Future meetings
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#meetings
Reminder: March 21 telcon is cancelled to allow members to recover from F2F

c) Wed-Fri May 23-25 F2F meeting in Ottawa hosted by Nortel
http://www.w3.org/2007/05/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html

d) Tue-Thu Jul 17-19 F2F meeting in Dublin hosted by Iona
http://www.w3.org/2007/07/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html

4. Editorial team report
Current Editors drafts:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/#drafts

5. Review action items, Chair
Open action items:
Member only:
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/open

ACTION-227 Chris Ferris to add issues for attachments, guidelines and primer related to the changed qname of the ws-addressing metadata assertion

ACTION-232 Chris and Paul to open dialog with WS-A and WS-RX TC chairs to find a way forward to address the problems between the three groups

ACTION-234 Asir to provide format for recording interop results

ACTION-236 Chris Ferris to add agenda item related to interop preparation/set-up
DONE (see below)

ACTION-237 Felix to update public home page with interop scenario link

ACTION-238 Paul and Chris to discuss how to collect and maintain interop results (e.g. who does this)

ACTION-239 Asir to work on xml:id, refactoring wsu:id test cases and update scenarios accordingly
DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0032.html

ACTION-240 Ashok to provide feature 22 (wsdl2.0) test cases using wsdl2.0 documents in the round 3 scenarios
DONE. See:
Testcases for External Attachment WSDL 1.1 and 2.0, Ashok
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0020.html

ACTION-241 Chris Ferris to prepare test cases for feature 43 - Negative testing

ACTION-242 Ashok to provide expected outcome docs for Feature 23 test cases

ACTION-243 Asir to produce a list of change areas in the framework and attachments primer and guidelines specs related to a change in the reference to the oasis ws-sec policy spec to reference the latest available published committee draft

6. Adoption of new CR test cases

a) Test cases for xml:id, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4301
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0010.html
See dialogue in:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0041.html

ACTION-239 Asir to work on xml:id, refactoring wsu:id test cases and update scenarios accordingly
DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0032.html

b) Feature 43, negative test cases, Chris
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/241

c) Feature 22 test cases, Ashok

ACTION-240 Ashok to provide feature 22 (wsdl2.0) test cases using wsdl2.0 documents in the round 3 scenarios
DONE. See:
Testcases for External Attachment WSDL 1.1 and 2.0, Ashok
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0020.html

d) Feature 23, Ashok
ACTION-242 Ashok to provide expected outcome docs for Feature 23 test cases

e) test suite issue 4370: Round 2 WSDL 1.1 input file contains invalid references
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0030.html
Asir response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0031.html

f) WS-Policy Features and Interop Scenarios - Round 4, Prasad
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0002.html

7. Issues requiring proposals for F2F meeting, Paul C

a) ISSUE 4040: [Guidelines] Update guidelines to include discussion of ignorable, Frederick
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4040
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0025.html

b) Issue 4213: Use of empty policy for nesting should be exemplified
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0100.html

c) Issue 4262: Use of @wsp:optional and @wsp:Ignorable on t...
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4262
See Monica's recent email:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0061.html

d) Issue 4300 - Misue of best practises in primer, Umit
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4300

8. Liaison items

a) Feedback to WS-Addressing WG on Web Services Addressing 1.0 - Metadata specification
Email to WS-A WG:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0153.html

Consolidated list of Alternatives A thru D to resolved WS ADDR LC comment
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0027.html
Note: I am not proposing we discuss this at this meeting.  This is being processed by the WS-Addressing WG.

9. WS-Policy Call for Implementations, Chair

a) Announcement
http://www.w3.org/News/2007#item33

b) Drafts
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-ws-policy-20070228
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-ws-policy-attach-20070228/

c) Published endpoints available:
Microsoft:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0171.html
IBM:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0172.html

d) Discussion of interop infrastructure and setup requirements
Note: WSO2 has indicated a need to participate remotely

e) ACTION-234 Asir to provide format for recording interop results

10. WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers
Status: No one volunteered at the Feb 21 meeting to lead an email discussion of these comments.  Therefore the WG will have to discuss these in a distributed meeting.

a) Issue 4331: WSDL WG comment 1
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0092.html

b) Issue 4332: WSDL WG comment 2
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0093.html
Recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0157.html

11. CR interop scenarios and testing
Note: Please use bugzilla for test case issues, including proposals for missing test cases.

a) WS-Policy Features and Interop Scenarios, Asir
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0143.html

b) Updated interop scenarios document, Editors
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0037.html

c) Editor's questions about interop scenarios
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0037.html
See also Issue 4311:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4311
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0035.html

d) Other interop scenario discussion items

12. CR issues
None

13. Primer issues

a) Issue 4103 - Questionable use of Contoso Ltd in Primer, Chris Ferris
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4103
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0077.html
See thread ending at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0102.html
Status: Asir has action 183

ACTION-183 OPEN Research ownership of "Contoso" name/trademark. Asir Vedamuthu 2007-01-10
See email from Chris Ferris:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0033.html

b) Issue 4339 - Update references to interoperability in Ignorable Policy Expressions
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4339

c) Issue 4263 - Add text to ignorable discussion on passing ignorable
Updated proposal from Monica:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0013.html
Email discussion:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0012.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0011.html
Recent thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0165.html

d) Issue 4253 - [Primer] Basic Concepts section on Policy does not explain usage reasonably
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4253

ACTION-201 William Henry to a concrete proposal for 4255 and 4253
DONE.  See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0078.html

e) Issue 4255 - Section 2.9 should also explain basic attaching
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4255

ACTION-201 William Henry to a concrete proposal for 4255 and 4253
DONE.  See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0076.html

f) Issue 4288 - Primer: Absence of Policy Assertions (editorial), Monica
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0214.html
ACTION-217  Maryann and Monica to amend issue 4288
DONE:
Proposal from Monica:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0014.html
Recent thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0151.html

14. Guidelines issues, Part 1

a) ISSUE 4035: [Guidelines] Section 2 should account for interop impact of non-wire or one-party assertions and ignorable property
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html
recent thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0169.html

15. Guidelines issues, Part 2

a) ISSUE 3987: Section 5.9 - Lifecycle of Assertions?, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3987
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0111.html

b) ISSUE 4035: [ Guidelines] Section 2 should account for interop impact of non-wire or one-party assertions and ignorable property
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html

c) ISSUE 4072: Statements not relevant to assertion design, Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4072
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0046.html
Fabian's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0063.html

d) ISSUE 3979: Clarify the guidance in section 5.9.1 on referencing policy expressions, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3979
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0104.html
Recent thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0167.html

ACTION-164 Try to write up alternative text that takes into consideration today\\'s discussion on issue 3979 DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0071.html

e) ISSUE 4073: Free standing statements, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4073
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0049.html

f) ISSUE 4074: Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues, Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html
See exchange between Dan and Umit at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0085.html

g) ISSUE 3978: Clarify if Section 7 on defining new policy attachment mechanisms is necessary, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3978
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0102.html
Maryann's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0131.html

h) ISSUE 3989: Suggested format for the Guidelines document., Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3989
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0113.html
Maryann's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0132.html
Asir:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0139.html
Umit:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0141.html

i) ISSUE 3988: Section 8 doesn't illustrate how to design an assertion., Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3988
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0112.html
Email discussion thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0000.html

j) ISSUE 4074: [Guidelines] Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues, Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html

k) ISSUE 3981: What is the relevance of Section 4 'Authoring Styles' to policy assertion design?, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3981
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0107.html
Proposal from Umit:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0000.html

l) ISSUE 3990: Content in Section 5.7 is unclear, Dan Roth http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3990
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0114.html

m) [NEW ISSUE] 4198: Policy assertion semantics independent of attachment mechanism
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4198
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0083.html
ACTION-218 Umit and Maryann to provide text for subject attachment Extensibility in guidelines
DONE.  See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0057.html

n) ACTION-192 Maryann give proposal for changes resulting from 4142         2007-01-23
DONE
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0003.html

o) ISSUE 4319: [Guidelines] (Editorial) WS-RMP reference should be consistent with other references
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4319
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0059.html



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