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RE: Agenda: WS-Policy WG distributed meeting 31 - 2007-03-07

From: Yalcinalp, Umit <umit.yalcinalp@sap.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:38:08 -0800
Message-ID: <2BA6015847F82645A9BB31C7F9D64165039C176A@uspale20.pal.sap.corp>
To: "Paul Cotton" <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, <public-ws-policy@w3.org>

Hi Paul, 

There is an update to Action 164 which I sent last week [NewProposal]. 

I only see the previous writeup in the current agenda. Could you incorporate this into the agenda so the new proposal can also be accounted for and parts of it discussed when appropriate. 

Thanks. 

--umit

[NewProposal] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0167.html

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> Subject: Agenda: WS-Policy WG distributed meeting 31 - 2007-03-07 
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> 
> Agenda: WS-Policy WG distributed meeting 31 - 2007-03-07
> 
> The phone number to use for the WS-Policy WG F2F is 
> documented on the WG's administrative home page:
> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#phone
> 
> Participants are invited to join IRC channel #ws-policy as 
> documented on the WG's administrative home page. Please 
> register with Zakim:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Aug/0012.html
> 
> 1. Roll call and selection of secretary, Chair
> 
> a) Scribe List:
> 
> Abbie Barbir (scribe for 2007-03-07)
> Dimitar Angelov
> Sanjiva Weerawarana
> Ruchith Fernando
> Jeffrey Crump
> Tom Jordahl
> Vladislav Bezrukov
> ----------------------
> Jeff Mischkinsky
> Sanka Samaranayake
> Yakov Sverdlov
> Ümit Yalçinalp
> Asir Vedamuthu
> Maryann Hondo
> Dale Moberg
> Chris Ferris
> Mark Little
> Monica Martin
> Glen Daniels
> William Henry
> Toufic Boubez
> Frederick Hirsch
> Felix Sasaki
> Prasad Yendluri
> Anthony Nadalin
> Daniel Roth
> Fabian Ritzmann
> Sergey Beryozkin
> Charlton Barreto
> David Orchard
> Ashok Malhotra
> 
> b) Scribe FAQ (Updated)
> Member only:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html
> 
> 2. Review and approval of telcon minutes, Chair
> 
> a) Review and approval of 2007-02-28 minutes
> Draft minutes:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0179.html
> 
> 3. Future WG meetings, Chair
> 
> a) Next meeting is Sunnyvale, Ca F2F Mar 13-15 - Chair will 
> alternate between Chris and Paul
> http://www.w3.org/2007/03/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html
> 
> b) Future meetings
> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#meetings
> Reminder: March 21 telcon is cancelled to allow members to 
> recover from F2F
> 
> c) Wed-Fri May 23-25 F2F meeting in Ottawa hosted by Nortel
> http://www.w3.org/2007/05/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html
> 
> d) Tue-Thu Jul 17-19 F2F meeting in Dublin hosted by Iona
> http://www.w3.org/2007/07/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html
> 
> 4. Editorial team report
> Current Editors drafts:
> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/#drafts
> 
> 5. Review action items, Chair
> Open action items:
> Member only:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/open
> 
> ACTION-227 Chris Ferris to add issues for attachments, 
> guidelines and primer related to the changed qname of the 
> ws-addressing metadata assertion
> 
> ACTION-232 Chris and Paul to open dialog with WS-A and WS-RX 
> TC chairs to find a way forward to address the problems 
> between the three groups
> 
> ACTION-234 Asir to provide format for recording interop results
> 
> ACTION-236 Chris Ferris to add agenda item related to interop 
> preparation/set-up
> DONE (see below)
> 
> ACTION-237 Felix to update public home page with interop scenario link
> 
> ACTION-238 Paul and Chris to discuss how to collect and 
> maintain interop results (e.g. who does this)
> 
> ACTION-239 Asir to work on xml:id, refactoring wsu:id test 
> cases and update scenarios accordingly
> DONE. See:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0032.html
> 
> ACTION-240 Ashok to provide feature 22 (wsdl2.0) test cases 
> using wsdl2.0 documents in the round 3 scenarios
> DONE. See:
> Testcases for External Attachment WSDL 1.1 and 2.0, Ashok
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0020.html
> 
> ACTION-241 Chris Ferris to prepare test cases for feature 43 
> - Negative testing
> 
> ACTION-242 Ashok to provide expected outcome docs for Feature 
> 23 test cases
> 
> ACTION-243 Asir to produce a list of change areas in the 
> framework and attachments primer and guidelines specs related 
> to a change in the reference to the oasis ws-sec policy spec 
> to reference the latest available published committee draft
> 
> 6. Adoption of new CR test cases
> 
> a) Test cases for xml:id, Asir
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4301
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0010.html
> See dialogue in:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0041.html
> 
> ACTION-239 Asir to work on xml:id, refactoring wsu:id test 
> cases and update scenarios accordingly
> DONE. See:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0032.html
> 
> b) Feature 43, negative test cases, Chris
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/241
> 
> c) Feature 22 test cases, Ashok
> 
> ACTION-240 Ashok to provide feature 22 (wsdl2.0) test cases 
> using wsdl2.0 documents in the round 3 scenarios
> DONE. See:
> Testcases for External Attachment WSDL 1.1 and 2.0, Ashok
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0020.html
> 
> d) Feature 23, Ashok
> ACTION-242 Ashok to provide expected outcome docs for Feature 
> 23 test cases
> 
> e) test suite issue 4370: Round 2 WSDL 1.1 input file 
> contains invalid references
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0030.html
> Asir response:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0031.html
> 
> f) WS-Policy Features and Interop Scenarios - Round 4, Prasad
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0002.html
> 
> 7. Issues requiring proposals for F2F meeting, Paul C
> 
> a) ISSUE 4040: [Guidelines] Update guidelines to include 
> discussion of ignorable, Frederick
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4040
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0025.html
> 
> b) Issue 4213: Use of empty policy for nesting should be exemplified
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0100.html
> 
> c) Issue 4262: Use of @wsp:optional and @wsp:Ignorable on t...
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4262
> See Monica's recent email:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0061.html
> 
> d) Issue 4300 - Misue of best practises in primer, Umit
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4300
> 
> 8. Liaison items
> 
> a) Feedback to WS-Addressing WG on Web Services Addressing 
> 1.0 - Metadata specification
> Email to WS-A WG:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0153.html
> 
> Consolidated list of Alternatives A thru D to resolved WS 
> ADDR LC comment
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0027.html
> Note: I am not proposing we discuss this at this meeting.  
> This is being processed by the WS-Addressing WG.
> 
> 9. WS-Policy Call for Implementations, Chair
> 
> a) Announcement
> http://www.w3.org/News/2007#item33
> 
> b) Drafts
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-ws-policy-20070228
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/CR-ws-policy-attach-20070228/
> 
> c) Published endpoints available:
> Microsoft:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0171.html
> IBM:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0172.html
> 
> d) Discussion of interop infrastructure and setup requirements
> Note: WSO2 has indicated a need to participate remotely
> 
> e) ACTION-234 Asir to provide format for recording interop results
> 
> 10. WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers
> Status: No one volunteered at the Feb 21 meeting to lead an 
> email discussion of these comments.  Therefore the WG will 
> have to discuss these in a distributed meeting.
> 
> a) Issue 4331: WSDL WG comment 1
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0092.html
> 
> b) Issue 4332: WSDL WG comment 2
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0093.html
> Recent thread:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0157.html
> 
> 11. CR interop scenarios and testing
> Note: Please use bugzilla for test case issues, including 
> proposals for missing test cases.
> 
> a) WS-Policy Features and Interop Scenarios, Asir
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0143.html
> 
> b) Updated interop scenarios document, Editors
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0037.html
> 
> c) Editor's questions about interop scenarios
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0037.html
> See also Issue 4311:
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4311
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0035.html
> 
> d) Other interop scenario discussion items
> 
> 12. CR issues
> None
> 
> 13. Primer issues
> 
> a) Issue 4103 - Questionable use of Contoso Ltd in Primer, 
> Chris Ferris
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4103
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0077.html
> See thread ending at:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0102.html
> Status: Asir has action 183
> 
> ACTION-183 OPEN Research ownership of "Contoso" 
> name/trademark. Asir Vedamuthu 2007-01-10
> See email from Chris Ferris:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0033.html
> 
> b) Issue 4339 - Update references to interoperability in 
> Ignorable Policy Expressions
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4339
> 
> c) Issue 4263 - Add text to ignorable discussion on passing ignorable
> Updated proposal from Monica:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0013.html
> Email discussion:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0012.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0011.html
> Recent thread: 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0165.html
> 
> d) Issue 4253 - [Primer] Basic Concepts section on Policy 
> does not explain usage reasonably
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4253
> 
> ACTION-201 William Henry to a concrete proposal for 4255 and 4253
> DONE.  See:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0078.html
> 
> e) Issue 4255 - Section 2.9 should also explain basic attaching
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4255
> 
> ACTION-201 William Henry to a concrete proposal for 4255 and 4253
> DONE.  See:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0076.html
> 
> f) Issue 4288 - Primer: Absence of Policy Assertions 
> (editorial), Monica
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0214.html
> ACTION-217  Maryann and Monica to amend issue 4288
> DONE:
> Proposal from Monica:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0014.html
> Recent thread: 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0151.html
> 
> 14. Guidelines issues, Part 1
> 
> a) ISSUE 4035: [Guidelines] Section 2 should account for 
> interop impact of non-wire or one-party assertions and 
> ignorable property
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html
> recent thread: 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0169.html
> 
> 15. Guidelines issues, Part 2
> 
> a) ISSUE 3987: Section 5.9 - Lifecycle of Assertions?, Asir
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3987
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0111.html
> 
> b) ISSUE 4035: [ Guidelines] Section 2 should account for 
> interop impact of non-wire or one-party assertions and 
> ignorable property
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html
> 
> c) ISSUE 4072: Statements not relevant to assertion design, Dan
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4072
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0046.html
> Fabian's response:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0063.html
> 
> d) ISSUE 3979: Clarify the guidance in section 5.9.1 on 
> referencing policy expressions, Dan Roth
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3979
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0104.html
> Recent thread: 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0167.html
> 
> ACTION-164 Try to write up alternative text that takes into 
> consideration today\\'s discussion on issue 3979 DONE. See:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0071.html
> 
> e) ISSUE 4073: Free standing statements, Asir
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4073
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0049.html
> 
> f) ISSUE 4074: Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues, Dan
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html
> See exchange between Dan and Umit at:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0085.html
> 
> g) ISSUE 3978: Clarify if Section 7 on defining new policy 
> attachment mechanisms is necessary, Dan Roth
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3978
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0102.html
> Maryann's response:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0131.html
> 
> h) ISSUE 3989: Suggested format for the Guidelines document., Asir
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3989
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0113.html
> Maryann's response:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0132.html
> Asir:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0139.html
> Umit:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0141.html
> 
> i) ISSUE 3988: Section 8 doesn't illustrate how to design an 
> assertion., Asir
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3988
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0112.html
> Email discussion thread:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0000.html
> 
> j) ISSUE 4074: [Guidelines] Collection of unclear Guidance or 
> text issues, Dan
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html
> 
> k) ISSUE 3981: What is the relevance of Section 4 'Authoring 
> Styles' to policy assertion design?, Asir
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3981
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0107.html
> Proposal from Umit:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0000.html
> 
> l) ISSUE 3990: Content in Section 5.7 is unclear, Dan Roth 
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3990
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0114.html
> 
> m) [NEW ISSUE] 4198: Policy assertion semantics independent 
> of attachment mechanism
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4198
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0083.html
> ACTION-218 Umit and Maryann to provide text for subject 
> attachment Extensibility in guidelines
> DONE.  See:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0057.html
> 
> n) ACTION-192 Maryann give proposal for changes resulting 
> from 4142         2007-01-23
> DONE
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0003.html
> 
> o) ISSUE 4319: [Guidelines] (Editorial) WS-RMP reference 
> should be consistent with other references
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4319
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0059.html
> 
> 
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