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RE: [VER2] Agenda: WS-Policy WG F2F meeting 32 - 2007-03-13 to 2007-03-15

From: Sverdlov, Yakov <Yakov.Sverdlov@ca.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:48:23 -0400
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To: "Christopher B Ferris" <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>, <public-ws-policy@w3.org>
Regrets for today's meeting - conflicting meeting.

 

Regards,

 

Yakov Sverdlov

CA

 

 

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Subject: [VER2] Agenda: WS-Policy WG F2F meeting 32 - 2007-03-13 to
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1. added 4292 
2. added link to negative test case proposal 
3. added Prasad's new issue 
4. added proposal for 3989 

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Agenda: WS-Policy WG F2F meeting 32 - 2007-03-13 to 2007-03-15 

This meeting will be hosted by WedMethods in Sunnyvale, Ca F2F Chair
will http://www.w3.org/2007/03/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html 

The phone number to use for the WS-Policy WG F2F is documented on the
WG's administrative home page: 
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#phone 

Participants are invited to join IRC channel #ws-policy as documented on
the WG's administrative home page. Please register with Zakim: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Aug/0012.html 

Tuesday 13 March, 2007 - 9:00 am PDT - 5:00 pm PDT 

1. Roll call and selection of secretary, Chair (9:00 am PDT) 

a) Scribe List: 

Maryann Hondo (scribe Tue Mar 13 AM) 
Dale Moberg (scribe Tue Mar 13 PM) 
Monica Martin (scribe Wed Mar 14 AM) 
Felix Sasaki (scribe Wed Mar 14 PM) 
Asir Vedamuthu (scribe Thu Mar 15 AM) 
Frederick Hirsch (scribe Thu Mar 15 PM) 
Dimitar Angelov 
Sanjiva Weerawarana 
Ruchith Fernando 
Tom Jordahl 
Vladislav Bezrukov 
---------------------- 
Symon Chang 
Doug Davis 
Jacques Durand 
Steve Jones 
Paul Knight 
Mohammad Makarechian 
Jonathan Marsh 
Arnaud Meyniel 
Sanjay Patil 
Skip Snow 
Mark Temple-Raston 
Jeff Mischkinsky 
Sanka Samaranayake 
Yakov Sverdlov 
Dale Moberg 
Chris Ferris 
Mark Little 
Glen Daniels 
William Henry 
Toufic Boubez 
Frederick Hirsch 
Prasad Yendluri 
Anthony Nadalin 
Daniel Roth 
Fabian Ritzmann 
Sergey Beryozkin 
Charlton Barreto 
David Orchard 
Ashok Malhotra 
Abbie Barbir 


b) Scribe FAQ (Updated) 
Member only: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html 

2. Review and approval of telcon minutes, Chair (9:05 am PDT) 

a) Review and approval of 2007-03-07 minutes 
Draft minutes: 
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-ws-policy-minutes.html 
Cleaned-up:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0019.html
(member only) 

3. Future WG meetings, Chair (9:10 am PDT) 

a) Future meetings 
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#meetings 
Reminder: March 21 telcon is cancelled to allow members^^^^^^^chairs to
recover from F2F 

c) Wed-Fri May 23-25 F2F meeting in Ottawa hosted by Nortel 
http://www.w3.org/2007/05/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html 

d) Tue-Thu Jul 17-19 F2F meeting in Dublin hosted by Iona 
http://www.w3.org/2007/07/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html 

4. Editorial team report (9:15 am PDT) 
Current Editors drafts: 
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/#drafts 

a) WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers Editor's draft 
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/wsdl11elementidentifi
ers.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8 
Status: The WG will consider re-publication of a revised draft since
there are no open issues remaining. 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0060.html 

5. Review action items, Chair (9:20 am PDT) 
Open action items: 
Member only: 
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/open 

ACTION-234 Asir to provide format for recording interop results 
Status: Work in progress and XML format for results will be available on
Fri Mar 9. 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0062.html 
Follow-up from Chris: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0070.html 

ACTION-238 Paul and Chris to discuss how to collect and maintain interop
results (e.g. who does this) 
Status: To be discussed at F2F. 

ACTION-241 Chris Ferris to prepare test cases for feature 43 - Negative
testing 
Status: Done 
See email from Chris:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0068.html 

ACTION-243 Asir to produce a list of change areas in the framework and
attachments primer and guidelines specs related to a change in the
reference to the oasis ws-sec policy spec to reference the latest
available published committee draft 
Status: TBD after the F2F. 

ACTION-246         Propose resolution for 4213 (example for ignorable)
Maryann Hondo         2007-03-14 

ACTION-247         Propose resolution to 4262, Monica to help
Prasad Yendluri         2007-03-14 

ACTION-248  start e-mails on 4300         David Orchard
2007-03-14 

ACTION-249         Create a seperate interop mailing list
(public-ws-policy-interop@w3.org)         Felix Sasaki
2007-03-14 
Done:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0020.html
(member only) 

6. WS-Policy Call for Implementations, Chair (9:30 am PDT) 

a) Published endpoints available: 
Microsoft: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0171.html 
IBM: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0172.html 
webMethods: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0024.html 
Layer7: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0023.html 
WSO2: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0022.html 
Note: we expect to maintain this on the interop status page being
prepared by Asir 
see Action-234 

b) Discussion of interop infrastructure and setup requirements 

ACTION-249 - Create a seperate interop list [on Felix Sasaki - due
2007-03-14]. 
DONE: Done:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0020.html
(member only) 

c) ACTION-234 Asir to provide format for recording interop results 
Status: Work in progress and XML format for results will be available on
Fri Mar 9. 

d) Editor's questions about interop scenarios 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0037.html 
See also Issue 4311: 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4311 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0035.html 

7. CR Issues (10:00 am PDT) 

a. [NEW ISSUE] 4379 Note about c14n 1.1 , Felix 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0051.html 

b. [NEW ISSUE] 4292 Intersection mode is neither defaulted nor specified

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4292 

c. [NEW ISSUE] 4292 WS-Policy 1.5 Attachment UDDI tModel keys and
related references 
outdated, Prasad 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0067.html 

8. Adoption of CR test cases (10:10 am PDT) 

a) Feature 22 test cases, Ashok 

ACTION-240 Ashok to provide feature 22 (wsdl2.0) test cases using
wsdl2.0 documents in the round 3 scenarios 
DONE. See: 
Testcases for External Attachment WSDL 1.1 and 2.0, Ashok 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0020.html 
Status: Ashok is working a revision for the F2F meeting. 

b) Feature 23, Ashok 
ACTION-242 Ashok to provide expected outcome docs for Feature 23 test
cases 
Status: Pending. 

c) Feature 43, negative test cases, Chris 

ACTION-241 Chris Ferris to prepare test cases for feature 43 - Negative
testing 
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/241 
Status: Chris is working on a test case for the F2F with some a wsp:name
that is invalid operator. 

d) test suite issue 4370: Round 2 WSDL 1.1 input file contains invalid
references 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0030.html 
Asir response: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0031.html 
Status: Fabian asked for more time to review the proposed changes. 

e) Other CR test cases issues 

9. Break (10:30 am PDT) 

10. Liaison items (11:00 am PDT) 

a) Feedback to WS-Addressing WG on Web Services Addressing 1.0 -
Metadata specification 
Email to WS-A WG: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0153.html 

Consolidated list of Alternatives A thru D to resolved WS ADDR LC
comment 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0027.html 
Note: I am not proposing we discuss this at this meeting.  This is being
processed by the WS-Addressing WG. 

a) WS-Addressing Metadata issues: 4374, 4375, and 4376 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0044.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0045.html 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0046.html 

10. Issues requiring proposals for F2F meeting, Paul C (11:05 am PDT) 

a) Issue 4213: Use of empty policy for nesting should be exemplified 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0100.html 

ACTION-246 - Propose resolution for 4213 (example for ignorable) [on
Maryann Hondo - due 2007-03-14]. 

b) Issue 4262: Use of @wsp:optional and @wsp:Ignorable on t... 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4262 
See Monica's recent email: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0061.html 

Created ACTION-247 - Propose resolution to 4262, Monica to help [on
Prasad Yendluri - due 2007-03-14]. 

c) Issue 4300 - Misue of best practises in primer, Umit 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4300 

Created ACTION-248 - Orchard start e-mails on 4300 [on David Orchard -
due 2007-03-14]. 

11. Primer issues (11:30 am PDT) 

a) Issue 4103 - Questionable use of Contoso Ltd in Primer, Chris Ferris 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4103 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0077.html 
See thread ending at: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0102.html 
Status: Asir has action 183 

ACTION-183 OPEN Research ownership of "Contoso" name/trademark. Asir
Vedamuthu 2007-01-10 
See email from Chris Ferris: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0033.html 

b) Issue 4339 - Update references to interoperability in Ignorable
Policy Expressions 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4339 

c) Issue 4263 - Add text to ignorable discussion on passing ignorable 
Updated proposal from Monica: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0013.html 
Email discussion: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0012.html 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0011.html 
Recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0165.html 

d) Issue 4253 - [Primer] Basic Concepts section on Policy does not
explain usage reasonably 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4253 

ACTION-201 William Henry to a concrete proposal for 4255 and 4253 
DONE.  See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0078.html 
See recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0048.html 

e) Issue 4255 - Section 2.9 should also explain basic attaching 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4255 

ACTION-201 William Henry to a concrete proposal for 4255 and 4253 
DONE.  See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0076.html 
See recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0048.html 

f) Issue 4288 - Primer: Absence of Policy Assertions (editorial), Monica

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0214.html 
ACTION-217  Maryann and Monica to amend issue 4288 
DONE: 
Proposal from Monica: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0014.html 
Recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0151.html 
Friendly Amendment from Maryann: 
 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0047.html 

12. Lunch (12:30 pm PDT) 

13. Guidelines issues, Part 1 (1:30 pm PDT) 

a) Issue 4035 and 4040 

ISSUE 4035: [Guidelines] Section 2 should account for interop impact of
non-wire or one-party assertions and ignorable property 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html 
recent thread: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0169.html 

ISSUE 4040: [Guidelines] Update guidelines to include discussion of
ignorable, Frederick 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4040 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0025.html 

13. Guidelines issues, Part 2 (2:00 pm PDT) 

a) ISSUE 3987: Section 5.9 - Lifecycle of Assertions?, Asir 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3987 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0111.html 

b) ISSUE 4035: [ Guidelines] Section 2 should account for interop impact
of non-wire or one-party assertions and ignorable property 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html 

c) ISSUE 4072: Statements not relevant to assertion design, Dan 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4072 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0046.html 
Fabian's response: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0063.html 

d) ISSUE 3979: Clarify the guidance in section 5.9.1 on referencing
policy expressions, Dan Roth 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3979 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0104.html 
Recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0167.html 

ACTION-164 Try to write up alternative text that takes into
consideration today\\'s discussion on issue 3979 DONE. See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0071.html 
amended by:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0167.html 

e) ISSUE 4073: Free standing statements, Asir 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4073 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0049.html 

f) ISSUE 4074: Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues, Dan 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html 
See exchange between Dan and Umit at: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0085.html 

14. Break (3:30 pm PDT) 

15. Guidelines issues, Part 3 (4:00 pm PDT) 

a) ISSUE 3978: Clarify if Section 7 on defining new policy attachment
mechanisms is necessary, Dan Roth 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3978 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0102.html 
Maryann's response: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0131.html 

b) ISSUE 3989: Suggested format for the Guidelines document., Asir 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3989 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0113.html 
Maryann's response: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0132.html 
Asir: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0139.html 
Umit: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0141.html 
Proposal from IBM/MSFT: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0069.html 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0071.html 

c) ISSUE 3988: Section 8 doesn't illustrate how to design an assertion.,
Asir 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3988 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0112.html 
Email discussion thread: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0000.html 

16. Recess (5:00 pm PDT) 

Wednesday 14 March, 2007 - 9:00 am PDT - 5:00 pm PDT 

1. Interop prelim report, Jonathan Marsh (9:00 am PDT) 

2. Guidelines issues, Part 4 (9:10 am PDT) 

a) ISSUE 4074: [Guidelines] Collection of unclear Guidance or text
issues, Dan 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html 

b) ISSUE 3981: What is the relevance of Section 4 'Authoring Styles' to
policy assertion design?, Asir 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3981 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0107.html 
Proposal from Umit: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0000.html 

c) ISSUE 3990: Content in Section 5.7 is unclear, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3990 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0114.html 

3. Break (10:30 am PDT) 

4. Guidelines issues, Part 4 (11:00 am PDT) 

a) [NEW ISSUE] 4198: Policy assertion semantics independent of
attachment mechanism 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4198 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0083.html 
ACTION-218 Umit and Maryann to provide text for subject attachment
Extensibility in guidelines 
DONE.  See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0057.html 

b) ACTION-192 Maryann give proposal for changes resulting from 4142
2007-01-23 
DONE 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0003.html 

c) ISSUE 4319: [Guidelines] (Editorial) WS-RMP reference should be
consistent with other references 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4319 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0059.html 

5. Lunch (12:30 pm PDT) 

6. AOB (1:30 pm PDT) 

7. Break (3:30 pm PDT) 

8. AOB (4:00 pm PDT) 

9. Recess (5:00 pm PDT) 

Thursday 15 March, 2007 9:00 am - 3:00 pm PDT 

1. Interop report and feedback, Jonathan Marsh (9:00 am PDT) 

2. Break (10:30 am PDT) 

3. AOB 

4. Lunch (12:30 pm PDT) 

5. AOB (1:30 pm PDT) 

6. Break (3:30 pm PDT) 

7. AOB (4:00 pm PDT) 

8. Recess (5:00 pm PDT) 

Christopher Ferris 
STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy 
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com 
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris 
phone: +1 508 377 9295 

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