- From: Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:24:03 -0400
- To: public-ws-policy@w3.org
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1. added 4292
2. added link to negative test case proposal
3. added Prasad's new issue
4. added proposal for 3989
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Agenda: WS-Policy WG F2F meeting 32 - 2007-03-13 to 2007-03-15
This meeting will be hosted by WedMethods in Sunnyvale, Ca F2F Chair will
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html
The phone number to use for the WS-Policy WG F2F is documented on the WG's
administrative home page:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#phone
Participants are invited to join IRC channel #ws-policy as documented on
the WG's administrative home page. Please register with Zakim:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Aug/0012.html
Tuesday 13 March, 2007 - 9:00 am PDT - 5:00 pm PDT
1. Roll call and selection of secretary, Chair (9:00 am PDT)
a) Scribe List:
Maryann Hondo (scribe Tue Mar 13 AM)
Dale Moberg (scribe Tue Mar 13 PM)
Monica Martin (scribe Wed Mar 14 AM)
Felix Sasaki (scribe Wed Mar 14 PM)
Asir Vedamuthu (scribe Thu Mar 15 AM)
Frederick Hirsch (scribe Thu Mar 15 PM)
Dimitar Angelov
Sanjiva Weerawarana
Ruchith Fernando
Tom Jordahl
Vladislav Bezrukov
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Symon Chang
Doug Davis
Jacques Durand
Steve Jones
Paul Knight
Mohammad Makarechian
Jonathan Marsh
Arnaud Meyniel
Sanjay Patil
Skip Snow
Mark Temple-Raston
Jeff Mischkinsky
Sanka Samaranayake
Yakov Sverdlov
Dale Moberg
Chris Ferris
Mark Little
Glen Daniels
William Henry
Toufic Boubez
Frederick Hirsch
Prasad Yendluri
Anthony Nadalin
Daniel Roth
Fabian Ritzmann
Sergey Beryozkin
Charlton Barreto
David Orchard
Ashok Malhotra
Abbie Barbir
b) Scribe FAQ (Updated)
Member only:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html
2. Review and approval of telcon minutes, Chair (9:05 am PDT)
a) Review and approval of 2007-03-07 minutes
Draft minutes:
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/07-ws-policy-minutes.html
Cleaned-up:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0019.html
(member only)
3. Future WG meetings, Chair (9:10 am PDT)
a) Future meetings
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#meetings
Reminder: March 21 telcon is cancelled to allow members^^^^^^^chairs to
recover from F2F
c) Wed-Fri May 23-25 F2F meeting in Ottawa hosted by Nortel
http://www.w3.org/2007/05/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html
d) Tue-Thu Jul 17-19 F2F meeting in Dublin hosted by Iona
http://www.w3.org/2007/07/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html
4. Editorial team report (9:15 am PDT)
Current Editors drafts:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/#drafts
a) WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers Editor's draft
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/wsdl11elementidentifiers.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8
Status: The WG will consider re-publication of a revised draft since there
are no open issues remaining.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0060.html
5. Review action items, Chair (9:20 am PDT)
Open action items:
Member only:
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/open
ACTION-234 Asir to provide format for recording interop results
Status: Work in progress and XML format for results will be available on
Fri Mar 9.
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0062.html
Follow-up from Chris:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0070.html
ACTION-238 Paul and Chris to discuss how to collect and maintain interop
results (e.g. who does this)
Status: To be discussed at F2F.
ACTION-241 Chris Ferris to prepare test cases for feature 43 - Negative
testing
Status: Done
See email from Chris:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0068.html
ACTION-243 Asir to produce a list of change areas in the framework and
attachments primer and guidelines specs related to a change in the
reference to the oasis ws-sec policy spec to reference the latest
available published committee draft
Status: TBD after the F2F.
ACTION-246 Propose resolution for 4213 (example for ignorable)
Maryann Hondo 2007-03-14
ACTION-247 Propose resolution to 4262, Monica to help
Prasad Yendluri 2007-03-14
ACTION-248 start e-mails on 4300 David Orchard 2007-03-14
ACTION-249 Create a seperate interop mailing list
(public-ws-policy-interop@w3.org) Felix Sasaki 2007-03-14
Done:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0020.html
(member only)
6. WS-Policy Call for Implementations, Chair (9:30 am PDT)
a) Published endpoints available:
Microsoft:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0171.html
IBM:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0172.html
webMethods:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0024.html
Layer7:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0023.html
WSO2:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0022.html
Note: we expect to maintain this on the interop status page being prepared
by Asir
see Action-234
b) Discussion of interop infrastructure and setup requirements
ACTION-249 - Create a seperate interop list [on Felix Sasaki - due
2007-03-14].
DONE: Done:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Mar/0020.html
(member only)
c) ACTION-234 Asir to provide format for recording interop results
Status: Work in progress and XML format for results will be available on
Fri Mar 9.
d) Editor's questions about interop scenarios
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0037.html
See also Issue 4311:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4311
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0035.html
7. CR Issues (10:00 am PDT)
a. [NEW ISSUE] 4379 Note about c14n 1.1 , Felix
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0051.html
b. [NEW ISSUE] 4292 Intersection mode is neither defaulted nor specified
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4292
c. [NEW ISSUE] 4292 WS-Policy 1.5 Attachment UDDI tModel keys and related
references
outdated, Prasad
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0067.html
8. Adoption of CR test cases (10:10 am PDT)
a) Feature 22 test cases, Ashok
ACTION-240 Ashok to provide feature 22 (wsdl2.0) test cases using wsdl2.0
documents in the round 3 scenarios
DONE. See:
Testcases for External Attachment WSDL 1.1 and 2.0, Ashok
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0020.html
Status: Ashok is working a revision for the F2F meeting.
b) Feature 23, Ashok
ACTION-242 Ashok to provide expected outcome docs for Feature 23 test
cases
Status: Pending.
c) Feature 43, negative test cases, Chris
ACTION-241 Chris Ferris to prepare test cases for feature 43 - Negative
testing
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/241
Status: Chris is working on a test case for the F2F with some a wsp:name
that is invalid operator.
d) test suite issue 4370: Round 2 WSDL 1.1 input file contains invalid
references
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0030.html
Asir response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0031.html
Status: Fabian asked for more time to review the proposed changes.
e) Other CR test cases issues
9. Break (10:30 am PDT)
10. Liaison items (11:00 am PDT)
a) Feedback to WS-Addressing WG on Web Services Addressing 1.0 - Metadata
specification
Email to WS-A WG:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0153.html
Consolidated list of Alternatives A thru D to resolved WS ADDR LC comment
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0027.html
Note: I am not proposing we discuss this at this meeting. This is being
processed by the WS-Addressing WG.
a) WS-Addressing Metadata issues: 4374, 4375, and 4376
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0044.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0045.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0046.html
10. Issues requiring proposals for F2F meeting, Paul C (11:05 am PDT)
a) Issue 4213: Use of empty policy for nesting should be exemplified
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0100.html
ACTION-246 - Propose resolution for 4213 (example for ignorable) [on
Maryann Hondo - due 2007-03-14].
b) Issue 4262: Use of @wsp:optional and @wsp:Ignorable on t...
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4262
See Monica's recent email:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0061.html
Created ACTION-247 - Propose resolution to 4262, Monica to help [on Prasad
Yendluri - due 2007-03-14].
c) Issue 4300 - Misue of best practises in primer, Umit
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4300
Created ACTION-248 - Orchard start e-mails on 4300 [on David Orchard - due
2007-03-14].
11. Primer issues (11:30 am PDT)
a) Issue 4103 - Questionable use of Contoso Ltd in Primer, Chris Ferris
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4103
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0077.html
See thread ending at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0102.html
Status: Asir has action 183
ACTION-183 OPEN Research ownership of "Contoso" name/trademark. Asir
Vedamuthu 2007-01-10
See email from Chris Ferris:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0033.html
b) Issue 4339 - Update references to interoperability in Ignorable Policy
Expressions
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4339
c) Issue 4263 - Add text to ignorable discussion on passing ignorable
Updated proposal from Monica:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0013.html
Email discussion:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0012.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0011.html
Recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0165.html
d) Issue 4253 - [Primer] Basic Concepts section on Policy does not explain
usage reasonably
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4253
ACTION-201 William Henry to a concrete proposal for 4255 and 4253
DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0078.html
See recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0048.html
e) Issue 4255 - Section 2.9 should also explain basic attaching
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4255
ACTION-201 William Henry to a concrete proposal for 4255 and 4253
DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0076.html
See recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0048.html
f) Issue 4288 - Primer: Absence of Policy Assertions (editorial), Monica
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0214.html
ACTION-217 Maryann and Monica to amend issue 4288
DONE:
Proposal from Monica:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0014.html
Recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0151.html
Friendly Amendment from Maryann:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0047.html
12. Lunch (12:30 pm PDT)
13. Guidelines issues, Part 1 (1:30 pm PDT)
a) Issue 4035 and 4040
ISSUE 4035: [Guidelines] Section 2 should account for interop impact of
non-wire or one-party assertions and ignorable property
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html
recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0169.html
ISSUE 4040: [Guidelines] Update guidelines to include discussion of
ignorable, Frederick
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4040
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0025.html
13. Guidelines issues, Part 2 (2:00 pm PDT)
a) ISSUE 3987: Section 5.9 - Lifecycle of Assertions?, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3987
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0111.html
b) ISSUE 4035: [ Guidelines] Section 2 should account for interop impact
of non-wire or one-party assertions and ignorable property
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html
c) ISSUE 4072: Statements not relevant to assertion design, Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4072
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0046.html
Fabian's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0063.html
d) ISSUE 3979: Clarify the guidance in section 5.9.1 on referencing policy
expressions, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3979
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0104.html
Recent thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0167.html
ACTION-164 Try to write up alternative text that takes into consideration
today\\'s discussion on issue 3979 DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0071.html
amended by:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0167.html
e) ISSUE 4073: Free standing statements, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4073
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0049.html
f) ISSUE 4074: Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues, Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html
See exchange between Dan and Umit at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0085.html
14. Break (3:30 pm PDT)
15. Guidelines issues, Part 3 (4:00 pm PDT)
a) ISSUE 3978: Clarify if Section 7 on defining new policy attachment
mechanisms is necessary, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3978
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0102.html
Maryann's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0131.html
b) ISSUE 3989: Suggested format for the Guidelines document., Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3989
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0113.html
Maryann's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0132.html
Asir:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0139.html
Umit:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0141.html
Proposal from IBM/MSFT:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0069.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0071.html
c) ISSUE 3988: Section 8 doesn't illustrate how to design an assertion.,
Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3988
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0112.html
Email discussion thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0000.html
16. Recess (5:00 pm PDT)
Wednesday 14 March, 2007 - 9:00 am PDT - 5:00 pm PDT
1. Interop prelim report, Jonathan Marsh (9:00 am PDT)
2. Guidelines issues, Part 4 (9:10 am PDT)
a) ISSUE 4074: [Guidelines] Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues,
Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html
b) ISSUE 3981: What is the relevance of Section 4 'Authoring Styles' to
policy assertion design?, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3981
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0107.html
Proposal from Umit:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0000.html
c) ISSUE 3990: Content in Section 5.7 is unclear, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3990
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0114.html
3. Break (10:30 am PDT)
4. Guidelines issues, Part 4 (11:00 am PDT)
a) [NEW ISSUE] 4198: Policy assertion semantics independent of attachment
mechanism
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4198
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0083.html
ACTION-218 Umit and Maryann to provide text for subject attachment
Extensibility in guidelines
DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0057.html
b) ACTION-192 Maryann give proposal for changes resulting from 4142
2007-01-23
DONE
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0003.html
c) ISSUE 4319: [Guidelines] (Editorial) WS-RMP reference should be
consistent with other references
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4319
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0059.html
5. Lunch (12:30 pm PDT)
6. AOB (1:30 pm PDT)
7. Break (3:30 pm PDT)
8. AOB (4:00 pm PDT)
9. Recess (5:00 pm PDT)
Thursday 15 March, 2007 9:00 am - 3:00 pm PDT
1. Interop report and feedback, Jonathan Marsh (9:00 am PDT)
2. Break (10:30 am PDT)
3. AOB
4. Lunch (12:30 pm PDT)
5. AOB (1:30 pm PDT)
6. Break (3:30 pm PDT)
7. AOB (4:00 pm PDT)
8. Recess (5:00 pm PDT)
Christopher Ferris
STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
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