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[VER 3] Agenda: WS-Policy WG telcon 29 - 2007-02-28

From: Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:26:46 -0500
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Christopher Ferris
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Updated to reflect recent email threads 

Christopher Ferris
STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris
phone: +1 508 377 9295 

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Agenda: WS-Policy WG distributed meeting 29 - 2007-02-28 
 
The phone number to use for the WS-Policy WG F2F is documented on the WG's 
administrative home page: 
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#phone 
  
Participants are invited to join IRC channel #ws-policy as documented on 
the WG's administrative home page. Please register with Zakim: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Aug/0012.html 
  
1. Roll call and selection of secretary, Chair 
 
a) Scribe List:

Ashok Malhotra (Scribe for Feb 28) 
Dimitar Angelov 
Sanjiva Weerawarana 
Ruchith Fernando 
Jeffrey Crump 
Tom Jordahl 
Vladislav Bezrukov 
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Jeff Mischkinsky 
Abbie Barbir 
Sanka Samaranayake 
Yakov Sverdlov 
Ümit Yalçinalp 
Asir Vedamuthu 
Maryann Hondo 
Dale Moberg 
Chris Ferris 
Mark Little 
Monica Martin 
Glen Daniels 
William Henry 
Toufic Boubez 
Frederick Hirsch 
Felix Sasaki 
Prasad Yendluri 
Anthony Nadalin 
Daniel Roth 
Fabian Ritzmann 
Sergey Beryozkin 
Charlton Barreto 
David Orchard 
  
b) Scribe FAQ (Updated) 
Member only:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html 
  
2. Review and approval of telcon minutes, Chair 
  
a) Review and approval of 2007-02-21 minutes 
Draft minutes (member only): 
http://www.w3.org/2007/02/21-ws-policy-minutes.html 
  
3. Future WG meetings, Chair 
  
a) Next distributed meeting is Wed Mar 7 - Chair is Paul 
 
b) Future meetings
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#meetings

c) Tue-Thu Mar 13-15 F2F meeting in Santa Clara hosted by webMethods 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Jan/0000.html 
http://www.w3.org/2007/03/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html 
Note: Please register before the Mar 5 deadline and as early as possible. 
  
d) Wed-Fri May 23-25 F2F meeting in Ottawa hosted by Nortel
http://www.w3.org/2007/05/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html 
  
e) Tue-Thu Jul 17-19 F2F meeting in Dublin hosted by Iona 
http://www.w3.org/2007/07/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html 
  
4. Editorial team report 
Current Editors drafts: 
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/#drafts 
  
5. Review action items, Chair 
Open action items: 
Member only: 
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/open 
  
ACTION-213 Chris Ferris to find an owner for feature 22 
  
ACTION-225 Philippe to ut up logistics page for Dublin F2F 
  
ACTION-226 Philippe to update member page to reflect the change in F2F 
dates and to change the cancelled meeting from Aug 1 to Jul 25 
  
ACTION-227 Chris Ferris to add issues for attachments, guidelines and 
primer related to the changed qname of the ws-addressing metadata 
assertion 
  
ACTION-228 Chris Ferris and Umit to revise WG draft comments to WS-A WG 
  
ACTION-229 Fabian and other WG members to reply in timely manner to the 
revised draft from TF 
DONE 
  
ACTION-230 Chris Ferris and Paul to send resulting material to the WS-A WG 
by Feb 23 after reaching consensus within the WG 
DONE 
  
ACTION-231 Chris Ferris and Paul to inform the WS-RX TC of our comments on 
WS-A Metadata 
DONE 
  
ACTION-232 Chris Ferris and Paul to open dialog with WS-A and WS-RX TC 
chairs to find a way forward to address the problems between the three 
groups 
(partial - have had discussion with Bob Freund) 
  
ACTION-233 Asir to update features and scenarios table in document

ACTION-234 Asir to provide format for recording interop results 
  
6. Adoption of new CR test cases
Status: The WG agreed to review these new test cases before the Feb 28 
meeting so that meeting can decide on their adoption. 
 
a) Test cases for xml:id, Felix 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4301 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0010.html
See dialogue in: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0041.html

b) Test case for xml:base usage, Chris F 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0062.html

c) Test case for the policy MIME type, Glen 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0001.html

d) UDDI scenario and test cases, Prasad 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0206.html

e) Feature 23 test cases, Ashok 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0104.html

f)    Feature 22 test cases, Ashok 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0166.html

7. Liaison items 
  
a) Feedback to WS-Addressing WG on Web Services Addressing 1.0 - Metadata 
specification 
Draft discussed on Feb 21: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0110.html 
Email to WS-A WG: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0153.html 
  
8. WS-Policy Call for Implementations, Chair 
Member-only: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2007Feb/0020.html 
Published endpoints available: 
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0171.html
            
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0172.html

9. WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers 
Status: No one volunteered at the Feb 21 meeting to lead an email 
discussion of these comments.  Therefore the WG will have to discuss these 
in a distributed meeting. 
 
a) Issue 4331: WSDL WG comment 1
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0092.html 
  
b) Issue 4332: WSDL WG comment 2 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0093.html 
recent thread: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0157.html
  
10. CR interop scenarios and testing 
Note: Please use bugzilla for test case issues, including proposals for 
missing test cases. 
  
a) WS-Policy Features and Interop Scenarios, Asir 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0143.html 

b) Updated interop scenarios document, Editors 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0037.html 

c) Adding negative test cases, Chris F 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0199.html 

d) Outstanding test cases, Chair 
ACTION-213 Chris Ferris to find an owner for feature 22 
  
e) Editor's questions about interop scenarios 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0037.html 
See also Issue 4311: 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4311 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0035.html 

f) Other interop scenario discussion items 
  
11. CR issues 
  
a) Issue 4318: Which WS-SecurityPolicy version should be used as a 
reference? Umit 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4318 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0058.html 
  
12. Primer issues 
  
a) [NEW ISSUE] 4103 Questionable use of Contoso Ltd in Primer, Chris 
Ferris 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4103
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0077.html 
See thread ending at: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0102.html 
Status: Asir has action 183 
 
ACTION-183 OPEN Research ownership of "Contoso" name/trademark. Asir 
Vedamuthu 2007-01-10 
See email from Chris Ferris: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0033.html 
  
b) [NEW ISSUE] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4339

c) Issue 4263 - Add text to ignorable discussion on passing ignorable 
Updated proposal from Monica: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0013.html 
Email discussion: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0012.html 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0011.html 
Recent thread: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0165.html 
  
d) [NEW ISSUE] 4212, 4213 Use of empty policy for nesting should be 
exemplified 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0100.html 
  
ACTION-216 Umit to propose text for primer or guideline for issue 4212 
DONE. See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0094.html 
  
e) Issue 4253: [Primer] Basic Concepts section on Policy does not explain 
usage reasonably 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4253 
  
ACTION-201 William Henry to a concrete proposal for 4255 and 4253 
DONE.  See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0078.html 
  
f) [NEW ISSUE] 4212, 4213 Use of empty policy for nesting should be 
exemplified 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0100.html 
  
ACTION-216 Umit to propose text for primer or guideline for issue 4212 
DONE. See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0094.html 
  
g) [NEW ISSUE] 4255: Section 2.9 should also explain basic attaching 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4255 
  
ACTION-201 William Henry to a concrete proposal for 4255 and 4253 
DONE.  See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0076.html 
  
h) Issue 4288 - Primer: Absence of Policy Assertions (editorial), Monica 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0214.html 
ACTION-217  Maryann and Monica to amend issue 4288 
DONE: 
Proposal from Monica: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0014.html 
Recent thread: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0151.html 
  
i) Issue 4300 - Misue of best practises in primer, Umit 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4300

13. Guidelines issues, Part 1 
  
a) ISSUE 4035: [Guidelines] Section 2 should account for interop impact of 
non-wire or one-party assertions and ignorable property 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html 
recent thread: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0169.html 
  
b) ISSUE 4040: [Guidelines] Update guidelines to include discussion of 
ignorable, Frederick http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4040 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0025.html

c) [NEW ISSUE] 4262 Use of @wsp:optional and @wsp:Ignorable on t... 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4262 
See Monica's recent email: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0061.html

14. Guidelines issues, Part 2 
  
a) ISSUE 3987: Section 5.9 - Lifecycle of Assertions?, Asir 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3987 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0111.html

b) ISSUE 4035: [ Guidelines] Section 2 should account for interop impact 
of non-wire or one-party assertions and ignorable property 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html 
  
c) ISSUE 4072: Statements not relevant to assertion design, Dan 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4072
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0046.html 
Fabian's response: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0063.html 
  
d) ISSUE 3979: Clarify the guidance in section 5.9.1 on referencing policy 
expressions, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3979 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0104.html 
Recent thread: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0167.html 
  
ACTION-164 Try to write up alternative text that takes into consideration 
today\\'s discussion on issue 3979 DONE. See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0071.html 
  
e) ISSUE 4073: Free standing statements, Asir 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4073 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0049.html 
  
f) ISSUE 4074: Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues, Dan 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html 
See exchange between Dan and Umit at: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0085.html 
  
g) ISSUE 3978: Clarify if Section 7 on defining new policy attachment 
mechanisms is necessary, Dan Roth 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3978
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0102.html 
Maryann's response: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0131.html 
  
h) ISSUE 3989: Suggested format for the Guidelines document., Asir 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3989
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0113.html 
Maryann's response: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0132.html 
Asir: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0139.html 
Umit: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0141.html 
  
i) ISSUE 3988: Section 8 doesn't illustrate how to design an assertion., 
Asir 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3988
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0112.html 
Email discussion thread: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0000.html 
  
j) ISSUE 4074: [Guidelines] Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues, 
Dan 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html 
  
k) ISSUE 3981: What is the relevance of Section 4 'Authoring Styles' to 
policy assertion design?, Asir 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3981 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0107.html 
Proposal from Umit: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0000.html 
  
l) ISSUE 3990: Content in Section 5.7 is unclear, Dan Roth 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3990 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0114.html 
  
m) [NEW ISSUE] 4198: Policy assertion semantics independent of attachment 
mechanism 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4198 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/0083.html 
ACTION-218 Umit and Maryann to provide text for subject attachment 
Extensibility in guidelines 
DONE.  See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0057.html 
  
n) ACTION-192 Maryann give proposal for changes resulting from 4142       
  2007-01-23 
DONE 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0003.html 
  
o) ISSUE 4319: [Guidelines] (Editorial) WS-RMP reference should be 
consistent with other references 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4319 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Feb/0059.html 
  

  
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