- From: Allen Brookes <abrookes@roguewave.com>
- Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:07:28 -0700
- To: "'www-ws-desc@w3.org'" <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
Web Services Description Working Group
Minutes: 29 July 2004 telcon
Present:
Erik Ackerman Lexmark
David Booth W3C
Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software
Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems
Glen Daniels Sonic Software
Paul Downey British Telecommunications
Youenn Fablet Canon
Martin Gudgin Microsoft
Hugo Haas W3C
Tom Jordahl Macromedia
Jacek Kopecky DERI
Amelia Lewis TIBCO
Kevin Canyang Liu SAP
Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft)
Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon
David Orchard BEA Systems
Bijan Parsia University of Maryland MIND Lab
Asir Vedamuthu webMethods
Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM
Umit Yalcinalp Oracle
Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc.
Regrets:
Helen Chen Agfa-Gevaert N. V.
Peter Madziak Agfa-Gevaert N. V.
Arthur Ryman IBM
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Agenda 1. Assign scribe.
Allen Brookes
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2. Approval of minutes: - July 22 [.1], Ugo's correction [.2], Asir's
correction [.3]
[.1]
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/att-0308/040722>-
ws-desc.htm
[.2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0309.html>
[.3] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0312.html>
Minutes approved
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3. Review of Action items [.1].
PENDING 2004-04-01: Marsh will get schema tf going.
PENDING 2004-05-19: Editors to include in the primer an example
that uses MTOM. (Issue 72)
DONE 2004-05-21: Editors to add ednotes to the spec to
indicate areas that had contention. (Issue
190)
DONE 2004-06-17: Editors to incorporate David Booth's clarification
in section 8.3 about what required means on MTOM
feature.
DONE 2004-07-08: Editors to implement resolution to 177 as
amended.
(Some Part 1? component may remain. Roberto will check. Plus
conformance section.)
DONE [.2] 2004-07-08: Glen to verifiy composition model.
DONE 2004-07-15: People who want to file a minority opinion
should do so by July 22.
PENDING 2004-07-15: Editors to incorporate Operation Name proposal v3
DONE 2004-07-15: Editors to implement
/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0047.html (Issue 211).
DONE 2004-07-15: Editors to implement
/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0011.html (Issue 236).
DONE 2004-07-15: Editors to indicate error for AD HTTP binding in
case of conflict. (Issue 241).
DONE 2004-07-22: GlenD to review Part2 text relevant to AD feature.
DONE 2004-07-22: Part2 Editors to follow up with GlenD about Part2
text relevant to AD feature.
DONE 2004-07-22: Sanjiva to check on logistics for Toronto F2F.
DONE [.3] 2004-07-22: DBooth to follow up on XMLP request for response
on comment.
DONE 2004-07-22: Part 1 Editors to add Paul's clarification of
fault in an appropriate spot in Part 1.
DONE 2004-07-22: Hugo to incorporate media type fix into part 3.
DONE 2004-07-22: Part 3 editors to move pseudo-schemas up front
(Issue 237)
DONE 2004-07-22: Part 3 editors to incorporate Issue 189
proposal 1, 2b, and c (from Asir).
DONE 2004-07-22: Editors to incorporate proposal for Issue 243.
DONE 2004-07-22: Editors to incorporate proposal for Issue 246.
DONE 2004-07-22: Editors to incorporate proposal for Issue 248.
DONE 2004-07-22: Editorial action to remove ed note on media type.
DONE 2004-07-22: Editors to incorporate proposal for Issue 238,
come back to WG if there are issues.
DONE 2004-07-22: Editors to incorporate proposal for Issue 249,
come back to WG if there are issues.
DONE 2004-07-22: Editors to update schemas for SOAP and HTTP
bindings.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0323.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0315.html
3 formal objections filed, composition, features and properties, unique geds
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5. Task Force Status.
a. Media type description - 1st Working Draft Published [.1]
b. MTOM/XOP
- Last Call Published [.2]
c. QA & Testing
- Suggested QA plan [.3]
- More details from Arthur [.4]
- Interop bake-off
d. Schema versioning
- Waiting to hear back from Schema on my draft "charter."
- Henry's validate-twice write-up [.5]
[.1] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-xml-media-types-20040608/>
[.2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0052.html>
[.3]
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Apr/att-0029/QA_Oper>
ational_Checklist.htm
[.4] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Apr/0037.html>
[.5] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Apr/0019.html>
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6. New Issues. Issues list [.1].
- none
[.1] <http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html>
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7. Issue 238: Consistent placement of <feature> and <property> [.1]
- Details (Sanjiva) [.2] - Roberto to check.
- Editors have completed, propose closing issue.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x238
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html>
[.2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0267.html>
Closed, has been implemented
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8. Issue 249: HTTP binding mismatch and identification missing (Hugo) [.1]
- Proposal [.2]
- Editors have completed, propose closing issue.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x189
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html>
[.2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0285.html>
Closed, already dealt with
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9. Issue 248: Property component's dependency on XML Schema [.1]
- Proposal [.2]
- Editors have completed, propose closing issue.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x248
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html>
[.2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0283.html>
Closed
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10. Issue 250: Properties within wsoap:module [.1]
- Proposal [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x250
<http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html>
[.2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0302.html>
Glen: Property should not be inside soap module
Proposal - remove property from soap module
... Remove from syntax and schema
Proposal accepted, issue closed.
ACTION: Editors implement proposal
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11. Other new issues
- Glen's property comments [.1, .2]
- Glen's composition model comment [.3] - Don't reopen!
- Help with unique GED language [.4]
- Issue 211 resolution clarification [.5]
- pls review text added for what "required" means [.6]
[.1] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0319.html>
[.2] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0320.html>
[.3] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0323.html>
[.4] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0328.html>
[.5] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0331.html>
[.6] <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0333.html>
Glen: Required flag on properties makes no sense
... must be understood by the runtime anyway.
Umit: required means that the property needs to be given a value not
that it be understood
... don't remove now
Jonathan: we can discuss this next week
ACTION: editors incorporate "some new text" into section 2.8.1 of
part 1
Issue: composition model comment - Don't reopen!
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0323.html>
Glen: should reopen
Amy: Is there any new information that warrants reopening?
Glen: will submit a last call comment
Jonathan: we'll add this to the agenda for next week
Issue: Help with unique GED language
Amy: can we point to Architecture document for definitions of terms?
DBooth: might have used service where provider agent would be more
appropriate
Amy: no need to introduce term provider agent
[sanjiva] +1 to not introducing the term "provider agent"
Amy: need a term to describe partner of the service
DBooth: it was decided at the Sonic meeting to use terms from
Architecture document
DBooth: use of terms in document consistent now
DBooth: service would be ok in the text for this issue
ACTION: Editors incorporate text from thread "please review text"
(333) with changes of provider agent to service
Issue message 328
[asir] link is
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0328.html>
Sanjiva: this is written in terms of XML Schema, should be more
general
Editors - Change wsdl:required and wsdl:operation to component model
representations
Issue 211 clarification
ACTION: editors remove confusing sentence about not requiring
operation to be bound
Issue 189 proposal
Hugo: the language is the spec now is correct
Sanjiva: information in the URI will not be in the body
DaveO: No we decided the opposite
Issue 189 closed, text is, or will be, in the spec
Back to issue 211
Jonathan: Does the first sentence add anything to the draft?
ACTION: Editors remove entire text
Issue "part 2 features stuff"
Glen: already resolved, "other significant edits" mostly done, needs
some addional text, Asir will review, Amy will add.
Issue AD feature questions
[sanjiva] This is the mail I just sent ref binding the AD feature:
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0382.html>
Hugo: SHOULD or MUST, application feature needs to be serialized?
Should be MUST
Sanjiva, question about 177, is it still open or fully implemented?
[alewis]
<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0370.html>
Hugo: what escaping mechanism should be used?
... propose that only ascii is allowed serialized in UTF8, otherwise
ignore
Amy: Doesn't http allow more than ascii?
Amy: header NAMES must be ascii
Amy: restrict header names to ascii, values to any UTF8 string
[sanjiva] Shouldn't we rename wsdl20-patterns to wsdl20-extensions
???
Adopt Hugo's proposal which is as Amy clarified.
Hugo: is the term "constraint" defined?
Glen: yes, in features and properties section
Sanjiva: why didn't we define a feature as a complexType?
Jonathan: Do we need a way to construct a wrapper element?
Glen: need a comment about how the wrapper element is defined
ACTION: editors add comment
... also delete ed note.
Jonathan: proposal is to move material into part 2 in a new section
ACTION: editors to move "AD Feature/HTTP binding" material into part
2
DBooth: point to formal objections in status section
Formal vote to move to last call
Unanimous agreement on last call
Formal vote results on moving to LC Aug 3rd:
Yes: W3C, Rogue Wave Software, Sun Microsystems, Sonic Software, British
Telecommunications, Canon, Microsoft, Macromedia, TIBCO, BEA Systems,
University of Maryland MIND Lab, webMethods, IBM, Oracle
No: (none)
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Action Summary
ACTION: Editors implement proposal [1]
ACTION: editors incorporate "some new text" into section 2.8.1 of
part 1 [2]
ACTION: Editors incorporate text from thread "please review text"
(333) with changes of provider agent to service [3]
ACTION: editors remove confusing sentence about not requiring
operation to be bound [4]
ACTION: Editors remove entire text [5]
ACTION: editors add comment [6]
ACTION: editors to move "AD Feature/HTTP binding" material into part
2 [7]
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