- From: Jeffrey Yasskin <jyasskin@appcomp.com>
- Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 17:33:16 -0600
- To: www-style@w3.org
You know, there's very little reason from Microsoft's perspective to "fix" their FCR bugs. the W3C is Very unlikely to ever add an '=' that means something different from ':' and if IE displays pages better, then people will use it more. Sure it would be "honorable" to follow the rules, but, from a business standpoint, they have no reason to. The browser that lets people read pages by stupid authors will be used more, not the browser that forces authors to be smart. I do not believe Microsoft when they say that their "bugs" were accidental. They were a conscious effort to win market share. And it's going to work too. As a web surfer, I'd rather use a browser that doesn't blow up when an author forgets a </td> or mistypes a ':'. Jeffrey Yasskin -----Original Message----- From: Jan Roland Eriksson [mailto:jrexon@newsguy.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 2:08 PM To: www-html@w3.org; www-style@w3c.org Subject: Re: Make Microsoft follow the spec. On Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:36:27 -0800, Chris Wilson <cwilso@microsoft.com> wrote: [crossed to www-style@w3c.org and f'ups set] >Jan Roland Eriksson [mailto:jrexon@newsguy.com] wrote: >>What I do know is that MS has deliberately shot a big hole in the bottom >>of the CSS "FCR" [Forward Compatibility Rules]... >Unless you work for Microsoft, please don't make presumptions about what we >did or didn't do "deliberately". Bugs in our CSS implementation that cause >us to fail forward compatibility tests were not intentional. I will take your word for that. Which then brings up a conclusion... "If there was never a decision made in a board room, or over an internal conference room table, to go down the route that lead to 'FCP' violations in IE4/5+, then the only thing that remains to be 'put under the lupe' is the inner workings of MS quality check procedures for delivered products." I like to think that MS programmers are good, enthusiastic, and filled with few other personal wishes but to be able to "show off" their personal skills and qualities as to how they can fill the requests from their project management level. So where did it go wrong? I mean if a faulty CSS declaration saying 'font-size=12' is to be the same as a correct 'font-size: 12px;' declaration, while available CSS specs says nothing about that, something needs to be fixed, and it's not the CSS specs that needs fixing IMO. But now the "cat has been out of the bag" for some time and common people that develops an interest for markup and CSS tends to go with the flow, i.e. what "works" for them in their own clients. Following that 'ciwas' will "for ever" be filled with questions like... "Hi! My stylesheet works in IE, does any one now how to work around the 'bugs' in Mozilla/Netscape/Opera?" ...(a question to that effect was answered in ciwas as late as tonight) The final question becomes, does WinIE have the guts to go on to make itself spec compliant, at least in the areas where it now breaks the CSS FCP rules? I don't have much hope, but would happily accept a surprise of course. -- Jan Roland Eriksson <rex@css.nu> .. <URL:http://css.nu/>
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