[VER 2] Agenda: WS-Policy WG Teleconference 20 - 2006-12-13

Version 2

Added discussion of normalized wsdl1.1 identifiers
Added links to other issue discussions
Added new issues

Christopher Ferris
STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris
phone: +1 508 377 9295

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Agenda: WS-Policy WG Teleconference 20 - 2006-12-13
 
The phone number to use for the WS-Policy WG F2F is documented on the WG's 
administrative home page:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#phone
 
Participants are invited to join IRC channel #ws-policy as documented on 
the WG's administrative home page. Please register with Zakim:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Aug/0012.html
 
1. Roll call and selection of secretary, Chair
 
a) Scribe List:

Mark Little (Scribe for Dec 13)
Monica Martin (Scribe for Dec 20)
Jong Lee
Dimitar Angelov
Sanjiva Weerawarana
Ruchith Fernando
Jeffrey Crump
Tom Jordahl
Vladislav Bezrukov
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Glen Daniels
Jeff Mischkinsky
William Henry
Prasad Yendluri
Abbie Barbir
Anthony Nadalin
Ashok Malhotra
Daniel Roth
Sergey Beryozkin
Charlton Barreto
Sanka Samaranayake
Frederick Hirsch
Fabian Ritzmann
David Orchard
Toufic Boubez
Yakov Sverdlov
Felix Sasaki
Ümit Yalçinalp
Asir Vedamuthu
Maryann Hondo
Dale Moberg
Chris Ferris
 
b) Scribe FAQ (Updated)
Member only:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html
 
2. Review and approval of previous minutes, Chair
http://www.w3.org/2006/12/06-ws-policy-minutes.html
 
3. Future WG meetings, Chair
 
a) Next distributed meeting is Wed Dec 20 - Chair is Paul Cotton.
 
b) Please make your plans for attending the F2F in Jan, hosted by BEA 
in San Francisco. 

c) Future meetings
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#meetings
 
4. Editorial team report
 
a) Primer and Guidelines Editor's Drafts
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0005.html
 
5. Review action items, Chair
Open action items - Member only:
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/open
 
ACTION-152 Review 4.4.8 with respect to the addition of the ignorable 
attribute ("treasure island") due December 1, David Orchard
 
ACTION-159 Raise an bugzilla issue on the mime type issue Felix Sasaki
2006-12-13
DONE.  See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0027.html
 
ACTION-162 Open an issue for the scoping of WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers 
Christopher Ferris 2006-12-13
DONE 

ACTION-163 Work with Frederick to draft an example of the RM and security 
composition requiring nesting Umit Yalcinalp 2006-12-13
 
ACTION-164 Try to write up alternative text that takes into consideration 
today\\'s discussion on issue 3979
 
6. Last Call Framework and Attachment Issues
 
a) Re: Request for comments on Media Type section of "Web Services Policy 
1.5 - Framework" W3C Working Draft, Mark Baker
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-comments/2006Dec/0001.html
 
ACTION-159 Raise an bugzilla issue on the mime type issue Felix Sasaki
2006-12-13
DONE.  See:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4042
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0027.html 
Note: this issue has been resolved
 
b) Issue 4038: Nested policy in normal form - Example does not match 
expectations
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4038
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0024.html 
See note from Asir: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0034.html
 
c) Issue 4039: WS-Policy does not define its relationship to XML Base, 
Chris
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4039
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0022.html
See proposal from Asir: 
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0040.html
 
d) (NEW) ISSUE 4068: XML Schema does not allow for validating xml:id in 
policy documents 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4068
See note from Felix: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0037.html 
Also see: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0036.html 

e) (NEW) ISSUE 4069: Updating References for Use of xml:id 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4069 
See note from Asir: 
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0041.html 

8. WSDL11Identifiers
 
a) Dec Editor's Draft:
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/wsdl11elementidentifi
ers.html 
See note from David: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0048.html

b) Umit's comment on table format:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0099.html
 
c) ACTION-156 OPEN Respond to 1.1 element names topic Ashok Malhotra
DONE.  See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0128.html
 
d) Paul's review:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0127.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0129.html
 
e) ISSUE 4045: Scoping WSDL1.1 identifiers to WS-Pol Att defined 
attachment points 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4045 
See: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0031.html

ACTION-162 Open an issue for the scoping of WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers 
Christopher Ferris 2006-12-13
DONE 

8. Primer Doc Issues

a) (NEW) ISSUE 4041: Update primer to mention ignorable as needed, 
Frederick
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4041
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0026.html
 
9. Guidelines issues
Status: We will discuss those issues with the most discussion on the email 
list.
 
a) (NEW) ISSUE 4073: Free standing statements, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4073
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0049.html

b) (NEW) ISSUE 4074: Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues, Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html

c) (NEW) ISSUE 4072: Statements not relevant to assertion design, Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4072
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0046.html

d) (NEW) ISSUE 4040: [Guidelines] Update guidelines to include discussion 
of ignorable, Frederick
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4040
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0025.html 

e) 3978 Clarify if Section 7 on defining new policy attachment mechanisms 
is necessary, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3978
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0102.html
Maryann's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0131.html
 
f) 3989 Suggested format for the Guidelines document., Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3989
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0113.html
Maryann's response:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0132.html
Asir:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0139.html
Umit:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0141.html
 
g) 3988 Section 8 doesn't illustrate how to design an assertion., Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3988
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0112.html
Email discussion thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0000.html
 
h) 3953 - Remove language that use of security policy assertions forces 
nested assertions for other domains, Frederick
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3953
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0039.html
Status: Frederick's update proposal against more recent Guidelines doc:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0008.html
 
ACTION-163 Work with Frederick to draft an example of the RM and security 
composition requiring nesting Umit Yalcinalp 2006-12-13
 
ACTION-164 Try to write up alternative text that takes into consideration 
today\\'s discussion on issue 3979
 
i) 3979 Clarify the guidance in section 5.9.1 on referencing policy 
expressions, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3979
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0104.html
 
ACTION-164 Try to write up alternative text that takes into consideration 
today\\'s discussion on issue 3979
 
j) 3980 The introduction section..., Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3980
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0106.html
 
k) 3981 What is the relevance of Section 4 'Authoring Styles' to policy
assertion design?, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3981
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0107.html
 
l) 3983 The Guidelines document should use a phrase to identify the
target audience consistently., Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3983
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0108.html
 
m) 3984 Assertion Parameters vs. Name Value Pairs., Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3984
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0109.html
 
n) 3986 Parameters vs. Nested Policy decision at the Domain Level?, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3986
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0110.html
 
o) 3987 Section 5.9 - Lifecycle of Assertions?, Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3987
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0111.html
 
p) 3990 Content in Section 5.7 is unclear, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3990
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0114.html
 
q) ISSUE 4035: [ Guidelines] Section 2 should account for interop impact 
of non-wire or one-party assertions and ignorable property
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4035
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0007.html
 
11. Any other business
 
12. Adjourn
 
Christopher Ferris
STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris
phone: +1 508 377 9295