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Re: [ALL] Agenda - Sep 18 2007 SWD telecon - 1500 UTC

From: Quentin Reul <qreul@csd.abdn.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:39:55 +0100
Message-ID: <bd1d3fc00709180239m41ab82d3v39701872d80381b9@mail.gmail.com>
To: baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de, public-swd-wg@w3.org
 Due to factor that I do not control, it will be difficult for me to both
attend and scribe today's meeting.

Thomas Baker wrote:

Agenda - Sep 18 2007 SWD telecon - 1500 UTC
W3C Semantic Web Deployment Working Group - http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/
Tuesday, 1500 UTC
        0800 Seattle
        1100 Boston
        1600 London
        1700 Amsterdam

Phone   Boston:  +1-617-761-6200
        Nice:    +33-4-8906-3499
        Bristol: +44-117-370-6152
        Conference code 79394# ('SWDWG')
IRC     irc://irc.w3.org:6665/swd Web-based IRC (member-only)

Chair: Tom Baker
Scribe: Quentin, Antoine on deck (see
Regrets: Al (Sep 18, 25), Diego (Sep 18, 25, Oct 2)

Attendance of SWD WG telecons is restricted to registered WG
participants and persons invited by the chairs.

1. ADMIN (10 min)


  PROPOSED to accept minutes of 11 Sep telecon:

Upcoming telecons
  next telecons: 25 Sep, 2 Oct, then face-to-face on 8-9 Oct

Face-to-face meeting - Amsterdam - October 8-9 2007
-- Logistics
   http://www.few.vu.nl/~aisaac/swd/ <http://www.few.vu.nl/%7Eaisaac/swd/>

-- Draft agenda

-- Registration

ACTION all to register (indicate also that you're not planning to
attend and/or want to attend via telecon)

Roll call for attendance as of 2007-09-15:

 WG members: Tom, Guus, Diego, Ed, Justin, Antoine, Jon, Alistair, Ralph, Sean
Guests: Steven Pemberton (RDFa), Mark Birbeck (RDFa), Ivan Herman
By irc/telecon: Elisa, Ben, Michael, Simone

ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion
with RDFa TF [recorded in

2. SKOS - see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#SKOS

ACTION: TomB to update Issue list to mark ISSUE-38
"CompatibilityWithOWL-DL" as "postponed"
(http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/38) [recorded in

Amsterdam agenda topic: "Label relations" (Guus)
-- Issue-26: RelationshipsBetweenLabels

ACTION: Guus to move ISSUE-26 forward [recorded in

ACTION: Guus to post user experience reports for ISSUE-26 [recorded in

ACTION: Alistair to state the difference between the two flavours of
the SimpleExtension proposal for issue 26 [recorded in

For discussion on the telecon, from

     Relevant issue:
   * [http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/26 '''Issue-26 -
     RelationshipsBetweenLabels''' (open)]
   * Issue: SKOS allows to represent semantic relationships
     (broader, related) between concepts. It also allows
     to represent relationships between concepts and labels
     (prefLabel, altLabel). However, there is nothing proposed
     in SKOS to capture links between labels themselves, a
     configuration which sometimes happens in concept schemes.

  Required background reading:
   * [http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/RelationshipsBetweenLabels/
     SkosDesign RelationshipsBetweenLabels]

  Three options will be discussed in Amsterdam
   * [http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/RelationshipsBetweenLabels/ProposalFour
     Alistair's "Minimal Label Relation" proposal]
   * [http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/RelationshipsBetweenLabels/ProposalThree
     Guus "Simple Extension" proposal]
   * [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0013.html
Guus "remove range
     restriction for skos: prefLabel" proposal]

Amsterdam topic "Labeling properties" (Alistair)

For discussion on the telecon, from

   Relevant issue:
 * [http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/31 '''Issue-31 -
BasicLexicalLabelSemantics''' (open)]
    * Issue: Can a resource have two "preferred lexical
      labels"? Can a lexical label be both "preferred" and
      "alternative" for the same resource? If a lexical label
      is "hidden", can it also be "preferred" or "alternative"
      for the same resource?  ...

Proposed solution:
 * [http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Jun/0170.html
   Alistair, 2007-06-26]: Alistair proposes a section of
   the draft SKOS Semantics as a resolution for Issue 31 --
   "This proposal deals with the intuitive semantics of
   'preferred', 'alternative' and 'hidden' at the syntactic
   level, which avoids complicated semantics conditions and
   allows for error-tolerant strategies to be defined."

Amsterdam topic "Semantic Relation Properties" (Sean)
-- http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda#SemanticRelationProperties

Relevant issue: [http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/44
'''Issue-44 - BroaderNarrowerSemantics''' (open)]
-- Required reading? Proposed solution...?

Amsterdam topic "Concept Semantics" (Antoine)
-- http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda#ConceptSemantics

Relevant issue: [http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/54
'''Issue-54 ConceptSemantics''' (open)]
-- Required reading? Proposed solution...?  Possible problems to discuss:
   * Defining the semantics of skos:Concept
   * Mixing with OWL concepts

ISSUE-35: ConceptSchemeContainment

ACTION: Guus to email a proposal to the list about the issue of
containment [recorded in

-- Where does this belong on http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda?

3. RDFa - RDFa Overview document http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/

   Teleconferences take place Mondays, 1300-1400 UTC -
irc://irc.w3.org:6665/rdfa, conference code 7332# ('RDFa').
   Everyone interested in RDFa is invited to participate.

Telecon minutes 14 Sep:

ACTION: Ralph update RDFa agendum for Amsterdam f2f after discussion
with RDFa TF [recorded in

Amsterdam topic "RDFa"
-- http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda#RDFa

Questions from IPTC (Misha Wolf)

ACTION: Guus to raise question three from Misha's email -- statements
(creator, date modified, confidence...) about statements -- with the
RDFa group [recorded in

4. RECIPES - see http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/Deliverables#Recipes

ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior"
(http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/16) -- formerly known as
"Recipe issue 1.3" [recorded in
-- see comment:

ACTION: JonP to add questions 1 and 2 from IPTC question --
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0023.html --
as recipe issues [recorded in

Amsterdam topic "Recipes" (NO DISCUSSION LEADER YET)

For discussion on the telecon, from

   * Suggested reading:
   * Current list of issues: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/5
   * ISSUE-58 and related mails: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/58
   * Draft of Recipe 6: http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/BestPracticeRecipe6
   * "How to publish linked data" tutorial by Bizer, Cyganiak and Heath,
   * Latest Working Draft (2006-03-14): http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-vocab-pub/

* Discussion points:
  * Discuss and resolve an strategy to close ISSUE-58: should we fix
the general case?
    Is it enough to fix the most common cases?
  * Discuss the current draft of Recipe 6.
  * Discuss on relationship between our Recipes and the Linked Data tutorial.
  * Review status of issues 19 to 24:
  * ISSUE-19 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/19 - Recipes should
    supply a general server configuration template (open)
  * ISSUE-20 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/20 - Online server
    testing (open)
  * ISSUE-21 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/21 - Apache
    should add that mod_rewrite must be loaded and enabled (open)
  * ISSUE-22 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/22 -
Questioning reference
    to 'IE6 hack' (open)
  * ISSUE-23 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/23 - There
should be some
    discussion of alternatives to .htaccess (open)
  * ISSUE-24 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/24 - Additional text
    explaining redirect choices in the recipes (open)


Current draft - http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/VocabMgtDraft

ACTION: Elisa will configure IPTC from Misha's email into vocabulary
management documents [recorded in
-- see comment:
-- however: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2007Sep/0031.html

ACTION: Elisa to ask for feedback on VM draft [recorded in

SWD review of "Cool URIs for the Semantic Web"
-- https://gnowsis.opendfki.de/repos/gnowsis/papers/2006_11_concepturi/html/cooluris_sweo_note.html

   Michael, Vit, and Ed should please post reviews in time
   for discussion on September 25 call. Goal is to provide
   feedback to SWEO by October 2 at latest.

Amsterdam topic "Vocabulary Management" (Ralph locally, Elisa remotely)

-- Vit suggestions:

For discussion on the telecon, from

   To be discussed late afternoon Monday 16:00+ so that Elisa can join.

Discussion points:

1. Overall document structure, section requirements and status (Elisa)

2. Ontology Version Management (Vit) --
   Versioning Questionnaire Evaluation (Vit) - Survey Results [1]
   Reference Implementation of RDF-based Ontology Versioning (Vit) -
SemVersion (Knowledge Web EU project) [2], [3].
   Further discussion regarding versioning best practices based on
early results of diff capabilities (Vit)

   [1] http://smile.deri.ie/limesurvey/index.php?sid=2
   [2] http://semversion.ontoware.org/kwebd233b.pdf
   [3] http://semweb4j.org/site/semversion/

   Suggested Reading:
   * http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/VocabMgtDraft
   * http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/2007Aug/0001.html
   * https://gnowsis.opendfki.de/repos/gnowsis/papers/2006_11_concepturi/html/index.html
   * http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Tasks/URI_Best_Practices
   * Daniel is liaison, SWD may be asked for review before publication
   * http://sites.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/suhl/bizer/pub/drafts/LinkedDataTutorial/

Quentin H. Reul
Computing Science
University of Aberdeen

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