- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:40:09 -0800
- To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
0. Dial in information (members only) [.1]:
See the public WG page [.2] for pointers to current documents and other
information, and the private page [.3] for administrative matters.
If you have additions to the agenda, please email them to the WG list
before the start of the telcon.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2004Feb/0026.html
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/admin
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Agenda
1. Assign scribe. Lucky minute taker for this week is:
Igor Sedukhin (fallbacks: Jeffrey Schlimmer,
Dietmar Gaertner, Umit Yalcinalp, Jean-Jacques Moreau,
Sanjiva Weerawarana, Youenn Fablet, David Orchard)
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2. Approval of minutes:
- Jan 22nd telcon [.1]
- Jan 28-30 FTF [.2, .3, .4] and Summary [.5]
- Feb 5th telcon [.6]
- Feb 12th telcon [.7]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0061.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0010.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0012.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0011.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0013.html
[.6]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/att-0035/040205-
ws-desc-irc.htm
[.7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0076.html
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3. Review of Action items [.1].
? 2003-09-18: Marsh to review the QA operational
guidelines.
? 2004-01-08: Pauld to write up examples of schemas for the
Primer.
? 2004-01-28: Philippe and JMarsh will look at the ipr for
test suite.
? 2004-01-28: Sanjiva to consistify the @name attributes.
? 2004-01-29: David Booth to suggest improvements to the
spec clarifying "WSDL processor".
PENDING [.2] 2004-01-30: DaveO to write up a proposal for augmenting
schema information to enable versioned data.
DONE [.3] 2004-01-30: DavidO to write request to schema group to
address the issue of schema not supporting
ignoring extended content.
? 2004-01-30: Umit to write a proposal on @wsdlLocation
? 2004-01-30: Jonathan to investigate typo in last f2f
meeting on _S_erviceType.
? 2004-01-30: Philippe to draft a note for the group around
safe operations.
DONE [.4] 2004-02-12: Philippe to check on teleconference facilities
for Tech Plenary f2f.
DONE [.5] 2004-02-12: Editors to update messageReference -> label in
part 2 as well.
DONE [.6] 2004-02-12: Issue list editor to make this a Part III issue.
? 2004-02-12: DaveO to produce a refined proposal for Asynch
HTTP binding addressing the concerns of folks
that object to leaving replyTo info out of WSDL.
? 2004-02-12: Umit to update OperationName proposal to make
clear that this feature is always required.
? 2004-02-12: Jonathan to add links from the home page to the
edtodo and the media-types archive.
? 2004-02-12: David Orchard to produces a specific example of
the kind of specification improvements he
envisions.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0047.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0074.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0076.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2004Feb/0022.html
[.6] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x130
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4. Administrivia
a. Upcoming FTFs
- March 4-5, Cannes-Mandelieu, France [.1]
Joint session with the TAG, XMLP?
b. Web Architecture Document [.2, .3] review:
Volunteers so far: Jacek, Bijan, Jonathan
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2003/08/allgroupoverview.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0029.html
[.3] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-webarch-20031209/
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5. Task Force Status.
a. Properties and Features (dormant)
b. Patterns (dormant)
c. Attributes (dormant)
d. Media type description (dormant)
e. QA & Testing
- Response to comments on QA Spec Guidelines [.2]
- Implement QA Operational guidelines? [.3]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0000.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0074.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Sep/0023.html
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6. New Issues. Issues list [.1].
- 139: Non-deterministic schema (Gudge) [.2]
- 140: Version attribute proposal (Tom) [.3]
- 141: Should WSDL say anything about whitespace in SOAP:Body?
(Jacek) [.4]
- 142: Name of "message" component (Bijan) [.5]
- 143: Referencing other type systems (Bijan) [.5]
- 144: Why can't message reference simpleTypes? (Bijan) [.5]
- 145: How can you tell which type system is in use? (Bijan) [.5]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0045.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0049.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0083.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0046.html
Note that I am not treating the following thread as an issue yet:
- Reuse faults by ref (DaveO) [.6]
I'm waiting for confirmation from DaveO that this is not obsoleted by
FTF decisions.
[.6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0140.html
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7. Issue 140: Version attribute [.1]
- Tom's initial proposal [.2] and follow-on proposal [.3]
(If this issue isn't ripe for decision, we'll move on fairly
quickly.)
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x136
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0049.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0069.html
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8. Issue 136: proposal to add in-optional-out [.1]
- Amy calls for a quick decision [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x136
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0042.html
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9. Issue 96: Intermediaries [.1]
Jean-Jacques to re-present the concrete issue.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x96
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10. Issue 115: Improving on-the-wire conformance [.1]
Need a volunteer to develop a proposal.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x115
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11. Issue 143: Referencing other type systems (Bijan) [.1]
Text in 2.4.1 and 2.4.3 is inconsistent.
Option 1:
Clarify that extension type systems reuse the {message} component,
(optionally) add a type system identifier property.
Option 2:
Clarify that extension type systems add corresponding extension
Components, and {message} is XML Schema specific.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0046.html
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12. Issue 144: Why can't message reference simpleTypes? (Bijan) [.1]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0046.html
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13. Issue 145: How can you tell which type system is in use? (Bijan)
[.1]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0046.html
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14. Issue 142: Name of "message" component (Bijan) [.1]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0046.html
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15. Issue 132: Message attribute optional [.1]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x132
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16: Issue 122: messageReference semantics on binding [.1]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x122
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17: Issue 125: Make messageReference mandatory [.1]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x125
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Following items pending additional input:
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18. Issue 120: Operation Name feature proposal [.1, .2]
Mark Baker had some comments [.3, .4].
STATUS: Awaiting updated proposal from Umit.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x120
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0082.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0173.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0175.html
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19. Issue 135: WSDL Specification readability [.1]
"The WSDL specs contains a lot of formulaic text, making them
harder to read than they could be. A lot of the infoset related
data could be easily moved into an appendix. This would make the
bulk of the spec just as informative and a lot easier to read.
Could we move some of the formulaic text to an appendix?"
STATUS: David Orchard to produces a specific example of the kind
of change he envisions.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x135
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20. Issue 112: Headers at the abstract level [.1]
- Headers as first-class citizens [.2]
- Glen's OOB feature proposal [.3]
STATUS: discuss offline until FTF.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x112
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0004.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0053.html
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21. Issue 104 Appendix E cleanup (using alternate type systems) [.1]
- Bijan's review [.2].
- Might want to add OWL support to appendix E
STATUS: Awaiting concrete proposal from Jacek and Bijan.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x104
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0136.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0182.html
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22. Issue 109: WSDL versioning [.1]
- Use cases (DavidO) [.2]
- Requirements (PaulD) [.3]
- Scenarios
STATUS: Awaiting 1 DaveO action.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x109
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0070.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0076.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0082.html
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23. Issue 79 [.1]
STATUS: Dependent on
ACTION: David Booth to suggest improvements to the spec clarifying
"WSDL processor".
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x79
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24. Issue 106: Using RDF in WSDL [.1, 2].
STATUS: Dependent upon RDF mapping first draft.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x106
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0076.html
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25. Issue 92: Layering message patterns [.1]
STATUS: Schedule for FTF.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x92
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26. Issue 134: Proposal for adding Compositors [.1]
STATUS: Schedule for FTF.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x112
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27. Issue 117: Marking operations as 'safe' [.1]
STATUS: Awaiting proposal from Philippe
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x117
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Other Part 1/Part 2 issues:
97: Schema language for SOAP encoding
111: Simplified syntax?
114: Name of wsoap:fault/@name
121: Broken resolution of NCNAME or QNAME
123: Requiring all operations to be bound
124: Semantics of mandatory properties and features
126: Confusion between binding and element names
127: Behavior if import/include fails
128: Two imports for the same namespace illegal?
129: Allow multiple values for import/include locations
131: Treatment of optional extensions
133: Why aren't two input/output elements allowed to share the same
@element value?
139: Non-deterministic schema
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Following items pending completion of Parts 1 and 2:
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28. Issue 130: Need async request/response HTTP binding [.1]
- Two formulations at [.2, .3]
- STATUS: Awaiting proposal from DavidO.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x130
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0192.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0195.html
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29. Issue 32: Support for SOAP 1.1 [.1].
- Awaiting announcement of updated charter.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x32
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30. Issue 64 [.1] Operations an HTTP verbs (Mark Baker) [.2, .3, .4]
- Jacek's synthesis [.5].
- Awaiting description from Philippe showing how properties or
extensions can be used to annotate the WSDL with RESTful
properties. Ask Mark for a definitive list of those properties
so we can consider how to associate them with property URIs or
namespaces.
- Marking WSDL operations as "safe" (DaveO/TAG) [.6, .7]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x64
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0094.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0103.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0111.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0095.html
[.6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Nov/0104.html
[.7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0021.html
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