- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 07:51:50 -0800
- To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
0. Dial in information (members only) [.1]:
See the public WG page [.2] for pointers to current documents and other
information, and the private page [.3] for administrative matters.
If you have additions to the agenda, please email them to the WG list
before the start of the telcon.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2004Feb/0001.html
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/admin
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Agenda
0.5 Welcome new member - Asir Vedamuthu replacing Lily Liu as
webMethods alternate.
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1. Assign scribe. Lucky minute taker for this week is:
Igor Sedukhin (fallbacks: Jeffrey Schlimmer, Prasad Yendluri,
Dietmar Gaertner, Umit Yalcinalp, Jacek Kopecky,
Jean-Jacques Moreau, Sanjiva Weerawarana, Youenn Fablet,
Youenn Fablet, David Orchard)
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2. Approval of minutes:
- Jan 22nd telcon ?
- Jan 28-30 FTF [.2, .3, .4] and Summary [.5] defer approval till
next week?
[.1] ?
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0010.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0012.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0011.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0013.html
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3. Review of Action items [.1].
? 2003-09-18: Marsh to review the QA operational
guidelines.
DONE [.2] 2003-10-09: Bijan to look into message extensibility
Issues (Appendix E, Jacek's review) wrt RDF data,
and discuss with Jacek.
? 2003-11-04: Glen to write up rationale for removing headers
(and?) proposal for a generic header-adding
property/feature.
? 2004-01-08: Pauld to write up examples of schemas for the
Primer.
RETIRE? 2004-01-15: Sanjiva to sketch out changes to abstract model
resulting from abstract faults proposal.
? 2004-01-28: Philippe and JMarsh will look at the ipr for
test suite.
? 2004-01-28: Sanjiva to consistify the @name attributes.
? 2004-01-29: David Booth to suggest improvements to the
spec clarifying "WSDL processor".
? 2004-01-30: DaveO to write up a proposal for augmenting
schema information to enable versioned data.
? 2004-01-30: DavidO to write request to schema group to
address the issue of schema not supporting
ignoring extended content.
? 2004-01-30: Tom to write proposal on version attribute
(modeled after schema's).
? 2004-01-30: Umit to write a proposal on @wsdlLocation
? 2004-01-30: Jonathan to investigate typo in last f2f
meeting on _S_erviceType.
? 2004-01-30: Umit to forward a link/proposal on media
types to the WG list
DONE [.3] 2004-01-30: Jonathan to add s/@message/@element/ on a
teleconference agenda.
DONE [.3] 2004-01-30: Jonathan to add s/@messageReference/@label/
on a teleconference agenda.
? 2004-01-30: Issues list editor to retitle Issues 113 and
91.
? 2004-01-30: Philippe to draft a note for the group around
safe operations.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0182.html
[.3] see below.
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4. Administrivia
a. Upcoming FTFs
- March 4-5, Cannes-Mandelieu, France [.3]
Joint session with the TAG?
b. Web Architecture Document [.4, .5] review:
Volunteers so far: Jacek, Bijan, Jonathan
c. Extend telcon to 2 hours for Feb?
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2003/08/allgroupoverview.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0029.html
[.5] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-webarch-20031209/
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5. Task Force Status.
a. Properties and Features (dormant)
b. Patterns (dormant)
c. Attributes (dormant)
d. QA & Testing
- Response to comments on QA Spec Guidelines [.2]
- Implement QA Operational guidelines? [.3]
e. Joint TF on media type description.
- mailing list [.4]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0023.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0074.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Sep/0023.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0000.html
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6. New Issues. Issues list [.1].
- Marking operations as 'safe' (FTF) [.2]
- Renaming @message (FTF) [.2]
- Renaming @messageReference (FTF) [.2]
- Renaming of wsoap:fault/@name and outfault/@name (FTF) [.2]
(should indicate that it is a reference, not defining a name)
- Is there something we can do to improve conformance on the
wire between WSDL-based agents? (FTF) [.2]
- Operation name feature proposal (Umit) [.3]
- Renaming the label of MEPs (Yaron) [.4, .2]
- Broken resolution of NCNAME or QNAME (Yaron) [.5]
- messageReference semantics on binding (Yaron) [.6]
- Requiring all operations to be bound (Yaron) [.7]
Might be reopening Issue 16.
- Semantics of mandatory properties and features (Yaron) [.8]
- Make messageReference mandatory (Yaron, request to reopen) [.9]
- Confusion between binding and element names (Yaron) [.10]
- WSDL Import/Include locations (Yaron, 3 separate issues) [.11]
- Need async request/response HTTP binding (DaveO) [.12]
- Treatment of optional extensions (DaveO) [.13]
- Message attribute optional (DaveO) [.14]
- Why aren't two input/output elements allowed to share the same
@element value? (DaveO) [.15]
- Proposal for adding Compositors (Umit+) [.16]
- WSDL Specification readability (DaveO) [.17]
- Add in-optional-out MEP (Yaron) [.18]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0013.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0082.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0112.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0113.html
[.6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0114.html
[.7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0115.html
[.8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0116.html
[.9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0117.html
[.10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0118.html
[.11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0119.html
[.12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0135.html
[.13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0136.html
[.14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0138.html
[.15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0139.html
[.16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0153.html
[.17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0160.html
[.18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0166.html
Note that I am not treating the following threads as issues yet:
- Second level xs:import (DaveO) [.19]
- Reuse faults by ref (Daveo) [.20]
I'm waiting for confirmation from DaveO that these are not just requests
for information, in the case of the former, or obsoleted by FTF
decisions, in the case of the latter.
[.19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0137.html
[.20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0140.html
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7. Summary of existing Part 1 and 2 issues.
- Issue #75 [.1] - Move to edtodo?
- Issue #79 [.2]
ACTION: David Booth to suggest improvements to the spec clarifying
"WSDL processor".
- Issue #90 [.3] - Move to edtodo?
- Issue #96 [.4]
Jean-Jacques to re-present the concrete issue.
- Issue #97 [.5]
Awaiting proposal from Jacek. Is this really an issue against
part 1?
- Issue #98 [.6] - On agenda
- Issue #104 [.7] - Some info from Bijan at FTF. Awaiting final
report from Jacek.
- Issue #106 [.8] - Awaiting proposal from Jacek. Is this really an
issue against part 1?
- Issue #108 [.9] - On agenda.
- Issue #109 [.10]
Awaiting proposal from DaveO on augmenting schema
Awaiting proposal from TomJ on version attribute.
- Issue #111 [.11] - Close issue? We substantially rejected
DaveO's proposals at the FTF.
- Issue #112 [.12]
Awaiting proposal from Glen for a header-adding feature.
- Issue #113 [.13] - On agenda.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x75
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x79
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x90
[.4] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x96
[.5] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x97
[.6] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x98
[.7] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x104
[.8] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x106
[.9] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x108
[.10] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x109
[.11] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x111
[.12] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x112
[.13] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x113
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8. WSDL 1.1 XML Schema Licensing terms.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0123.html
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9. Issue 108: properties and schema languages other than XSD [.1, .2]
- Discuss requirements for a solution to this issue and recruit
a champion.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x108
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0006.html
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10. Issue 98: > 1 style per interface [.1]
Options:
a) Yes: Make @style an (unordered?) list of URIs.
b) No: Close issue.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x98
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11. Issue 113: Jacek's proposal to remove style attribute
and handle this using normal extensibility. [.1]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0054.html
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12. Issue #104: Appendix E cleanup [.1]
Bijan's review [.2]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0136.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0182.html
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13. Issue X: Operation Name feature proposal [.1]
Mark Baker had some comments.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0082.html
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14. Issue X: Is there something we can do to improve conformance
on the wire between WSDL-based agents?
- Amy's scenario [.1]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0194.html
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Following items pending additional input:
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15. Renaming (will take up on 12 Feb)
FTF produced proposals with general acclaim to rename the following
constructs:
- s/@message/@element/
- s/@messageReference/@label/
- s/A,B/IN,OUT/
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0011.html
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16. Headers at the abstract level [.1]
- Headers as first-class citizens [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x112
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Feb/0004.html
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17. Issue 32: Support for SOAP 1.1 [.1].
- Awaiting announcement of updated charter.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x32
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18. Issue X: Versioning.
- Use cases (DavidO) [.1]
- Requirements (PaulD) [.2]
Awaiting 3 DaveO actions, 1 TomJ action.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0070.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jan/0076.html
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19. Issue 64 [.1] Operations an HTTP verbs (Mark Baker) [.2, .3, .4]
- Jacek's synthesis [.5].
- Awaiting description from Philippe showing how properties or
extensions can be used to annotate the WSDL with RESTful
properties. Ask Mark for a definitive list of those properties
so we can consider how to associate them with property URIs or
namespaces.
- Marking WSDL operations as "safe" (DaveO/TAG) [.6, .7]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x64
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0094.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0103.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0111.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0095.html
[.6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Nov/0104.html
[.7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0021.html
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20. Issue #106: Using RDF in WSDL [.1].
Dependent upon RDF mapping first draft.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0076.html
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