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I second Charles disappointment if this is truely the case in WCAG.

Jon


At 08:39 AM 3/28/2002 -0500, Charles McCathieNevile wrote:
>I am very disappointed, particularly as the HTML group, on the recommendation
>of WAI PF, after discussion of this issue, changed the content model of HTML
>4.01 specifically to make this valid (as well as the fact that it worked in
>browsers).
>
>I will take an action to raise this again as an issue in WCAG.
>
>Chaals
>
>On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Ian B. Jacobs wrote:
>
>   Dominique Hazaël-Massieux wrote:
>
>   > le jeu 28-03-2002 à 10:42, Steven Pemberton a écrit :
>   >
>   >>>>I don't get the idea of putting the navbar in a <map> (client side 
> image
>   >>>>map). What's the point? What do you gain?
>   >>>>
>   >>>This is for accessibility reason. See:
>   >>>http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#group-bypass
>   >>>
>   >>Ooh I hadn't spotted this before. This is weird tag abuse. Can anyone
>   >>explain to me what the accessibility advantages are of using a 
> client-side
>   >>image map not as a client-side image map, but as a container for links?
>   >>
>   >>Why is it better than using a <p> or a <div>?
>   >>
>   >
>   > Good question. Maybe Al will be able to give more input on that.
>   > Interestingly, it looks like this usage of <map> is not considered good
>   > anymore:
>   > http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wai-gl-tech-issues.html#group-bypass
>   > "A further conclusion is that we do not want to recommend the MAP element
>   > as a way to group links since it is a non-standard use of the element."
>
>
>   That's unfortunate that the WCAG WG concluded that after:
>
>     1) That proposal being integrated into HTML 4.01, and
>     2) A fair amount of time spent in the UAWG trying to meet the need
>       of recognizing MAP as navigation markup.
>
>   I have not been party to the discussion in the WCAG WG, but I'm
>   a little disappointed to hear that now they're unrecommending what
>   is not *yet* standard practice but might have been.
>
>     _ Ian
>
>
>
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Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
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