AW: Translation process and Portuguese content

Hi,

The Breadcrumb is an issue we need to solve regardless.

We are trying to stay away from PrefixIndex (for performance and some other reasons), the preferred way to list pages in our wiki is through SMW queries. Thinking a bit further we would also need to eliminate duplicates form these results (which might be easier if we go with the /wiki/es/... solution) and also list results in Spanish, if the user is currently viewing a /es part of the wiki (the links).

Hmm, there really is a lot to be thought through, I'll maybe do some more thinking at the end of the work day. :)

-fro


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Tomoyuki SHIMIZU [mailto:tomoyuki.labs@gmail.com] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 5. April 2013 12:43
An: David Kirstein
Cc: 'Julee Burdekin'; public-webplatform@w3.org; 'Juarez P. A. Filho'
Betreff: Re: Translation process and Portuguese content

Hi David,

> Thinking about it, it should also be possible to do it that way (/wiki/lang/es/Main_Page). We could probably even drop the lang/ part.
> 
> I don't know what would be better, a language prefix or a language suffix, I could live with either and both should work in the same way.

Ok.

I have an additional concern about suffix. Articles with language suffix would appear in the subpage index shown by {{Special:PrefixIndex}}. For example, in the subpage index of css article[1], css/es and css/fr appear in addition to actual subpages of css like css/Selectors, etc.

It is also impossible to show the index of subpages of translation pages like css/es. Current css/es article shows the subpage index of 'css' page as it is (i.e. subpages of English 'css' article and /es and /fr translation pages are listed).

Best regards,
Tomoyuki

[1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css
[2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/es


On Apr 5, 2013, at 19:34 , "David Kirstein" <frozenice@frozenice.de> wrote:

> Hi Tomoyuki,
> 
> Thinking about it, it should also be possible to do it that way (/wiki/lang/es/Main_Page). We could probably even drop the lang/ part.
> 
> I don't know what would be better, a language prefix or a language suffix, I could live with either and both should work in the same way.
> 
> -fro
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tomoyuki SHIMIZU [mailto:tomoyuki.labs@gmail.com] 
> Gesendet: Freitag, 5. April 2013 11:25
> An: Julee Burdekin; public-webplatform@w3.org
> Cc: Juarez P. A. Filho
> Betreff: Re: Translation process and Portuguese content
> 
> Hi Julee,
> 
>> Tomoyuki and all: Is there any reason we could not do wiki and then the language, such as:
>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/lang/es/Main_Page
> 
> I have not confirmed yet if it is actually impossible or not, but IMHO I think we might be able to apply such an article name by customizing {{Languages}} and {{Languages/Lang}} templates.
> 
> Best regards,
> Tomoyuki
> 
> [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Languages
> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Languages/Lang
> 
> 
> On Apr 5, 2013, at 17:04 , Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, Juarez: It was great meeting you at the Doc Sprint. So excited about a Portuguese translation!
>> 
>> Tomoyuki and all: Is there any reason we could not do wiki and then the language, such as:
>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/lang/es/Main_Page
>> 
>> Also, is there a technical reason why wikipedia does 
>> 
>> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Springs
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Julee
>> ----------------------------
>> julee@adobe.com
>> @adobejulee
>> 
>> From: "Juarez P. A. Filho" <juarezpaf@gmail.com>
>> Date: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:21 AM
>> To: Tomoyuki SHIMIZU <tomoyuki.labs@gmail.com>
>> Cc: "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: Translation process and Portuguese content
>> Resent-From: <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>> Resent-Date: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:22 AM
>> 
>> Amazing! Thanks guys! The Web Platform Doc Sprint was nice... I am going back to Brazil on this Sunday, so I will start the translation process with the Brazilian community help.
>> 
>> I really think we need better urls just as Tomoyuki suggested.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> J | Web Addict  +55 82 99482935(Tim) | +55 82 88093556(Oi)
>> http://facebook.com/juarezpaf | @juarezpaf
>> 
>> "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
>> Eleanor Roosevelt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Tomoyuki SHIMIZU <tomoyuki.labs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> Although translation pages in some languages have already launched, the discussion about the rule of article names of translation pages still remains and no decision exists yet.
>>> 
>>> Currently the most popular way to create a new translation page is simply to add ISO language code as a subpage name like below:
>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/es
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/fr
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/ko
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, it is pointed out that this naming rule could cause conflicts with some HTML tags, CSS units, etc.[1]
>>> 
>>> To solve this, two kinds of solution have been proposed so far[2].
>>> One is to prepare separate host for every language like Wikipedia; es.docs.webplatform.org, docs-es.wenbplatform.org, etc.[3]
>>> The other is to extend subpage name: docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/lang-es, docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/lang:es, etc.[4]
>>> 
>>> Personally I have no strong preference now; If either the current way, separate hosts, or subpage name extension would be adopted as a common rule, many Japanese engineers as well as I are ready to begin writing Japanese translations.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tomoyuki
>>> 
>>> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Dec/0051.html
>>> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/translations
>>> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Dec/0113.html
>>> [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Dec/0077.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 18:25 , Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Romain.
>>>> 
>>>> So just to add to that:
>>>> 
>>>> The main page is at
>>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>>> 
>>>> There have been translations created and added at
>>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/es
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/fr
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/ko
>>>> 
>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> These have been picked up and automatically added into the translations bar of the different main page versions.
>>>> 
>>>> So if you created a translation at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/pt
>>>> 
>>>> that would automatically show up too.
>>>> 
>>>> Feel free to ping us if you have any more questions ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Mills
>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>> 
>>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 09:43, Romain Briand <contact@romain-briand.fr> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Juarez,
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I started some french translation yesterday. You can go to this page for more information (Editor's guide) : http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide
>>>>> It is a wiki, so you can add pages like this : http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/pt in order to translate the Main Page into Portuguese and so on.
>>>>> Be carreful there are some special page types for docs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Romain
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2013/4/4 Juarez P. A. Filho <juarezpaf@gmail.com>
>>>>> Hey everyone...
>>>>> 
>>>>> My name is Juarez and I am from Brazil and I am a Front-end Engineer.
>>>>> Just came in to the Web Platform Doc Sprint at Google San Francisco Office today and talked with Peter and July about the wiki and I am very excited to contributing with content, mainly translating the actual content to the Portuguese.
>>>>> So... How can I do that? Is there any common start step?
>>>>> Thanks in advance guys!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> J | Web Addict  +55 82 99482935 | +55 82 88093556
>>>>> http://facebook.com/juarezpaf | @juarezpaf
>>>>> 
>>>>> "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
>>>>> Eleanor Roosevelt
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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