Re: Translation process and Portuguese content

Hi David,

> Thinking about it, it should also be possible to do it that way (/wiki/lang/es/Main_Page). We could probably even drop the lang/ part.
> 
> I don't know what would be better, a language prefix or a language suffix, I could live with either and both should work in the same way.

Ok.

I have an additional concern about suffix. Articles with language suffix would appear in the subpage index shown by {{Special:PrefixIndex}}. For example, in the subpage index of css article[1], css/es and css/fr appear in addition to actual subpages of css like css/Selectors, etc.

It is also impossible to show the index of subpages of translation pages like css/es. Current css/es article shows the subpage index of 'css' page as it is (i.e. subpages of English 'css' article and /es and /fr translation pages are listed).

Best regards,
Tomoyuki

[1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css
[2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/es


On Apr 5, 2013, at 19:34 , "David Kirstein" <frozenice@frozenice.de> wrote:

> Hi Tomoyuki,
> 
> Thinking about it, it should also be possible to do it that way (/wiki/lang/es/Main_Page). We could probably even drop the lang/ part.
> 
> I don't know what would be better, a language prefix or a language suffix, I could live with either and both should work in the same way.
> 
> -fro
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Tomoyuki SHIMIZU [mailto:tomoyuki.labs@gmail.com] 
> Gesendet: Freitag, 5. April 2013 11:25
> An: Julee Burdekin; public-webplatform@w3.org
> Cc: Juarez P. A. Filho
> Betreff: Re: Translation process and Portuguese content
> 
> Hi Julee,
> 
>> Tomoyuki and all: Is there any reason we could not do wiki and then the language, such as:
>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/lang/es/Main_Page
> 
> I have not confirmed yet if it is actually impossible or not, but IMHO I think we might be able to apply such an article name by customizing {{Languages}} and {{Languages/Lang}} templates.
> 
> Best regards,
> Tomoyuki
> 
> [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Languages
> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Languages/Lang
> 
> 
> On Apr 5, 2013, at 17:04 , Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, Juarez: It was great meeting you at the Doc Sprint. So excited about a Portuguese translation!
>> 
>> Tomoyuki and all: Is there any reason we could not do wiki and then the language, such as:
>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/lang/es/Main_Page
>> 
>> Also, is there a technical reason why wikipedia does 
>> 
>> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Springs
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Julee
>> ----------------------------
>> julee@adobe.com
>> @adobejulee
>> 
>> From: "Juarez P. A. Filho" <juarezpaf@gmail.com>
>> Date: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:21 AM
>> To: Tomoyuki SHIMIZU <tomoyuki.labs@gmail.com>
>> Cc: "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: Translation process and Portuguese content
>> Resent-From: <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>> Resent-Date: Friday, April 5, 2013 12:22 AM
>> 
>> Amazing! Thanks guys! The Web Platform Doc Sprint was nice... I am going back to Brazil on this Sunday, so I will start the translation process with the Brazilian community help.
>> 
>> I really think we need better urls just as Tomoyuki suggested.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> J | Web Addict  +55 82 99482935(Tim) | +55 82 88093556(Oi)
>> http://facebook.com/juarezpaf | @juarezpaf
>> 
>> "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
>> Eleanor Roosevelt
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Tomoyuki SHIMIZU <tomoyuki.labs@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> Although translation pages in some languages have already launched, the discussion about the rule of article names of translation pages still remains and no decision exists yet.
>>> 
>>> Currently the most popular way to create a new translation page is simply to add ISO language code as a subpage name like below:
>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/es
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/fr
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/ko
>>> 
>>> 
>>> However, it is pointed out that this naming rule could cause conflicts with some HTML tags, CSS units, etc.[1]
>>> 
>>> To solve this, two kinds of solution have been proposed so far[2].
>>> One is to prepare separate host for every language like Wikipedia; es.docs.webplatform.org, docs-es.wenbplatform.org, etc.[3]
>>> The other is to extend subpage name: docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/lang-es, docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/lang:es, etc.[4]
>>> 
>>> Personally I have no strong preference now; If either the current way, separate hosts, or subpage name extension would be adopted as a common rule, many Japanese engineers as well as I are ready to begin writing Japanese translations.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tomoyuki
>>> 
>>> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Dec/0051.html
>>> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/translations
>>> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Dec/0113.html
>>> [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2012Dec/0077.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2013, at 18:25 , Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Romain.
>>>> 
>>>> So just to add to that:
>>>> 
>>>> The main page is at
>>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>>> 
>>>> There have been translations created and added at
>>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/es
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/fr
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/ko
>>>> 
>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> These have been picked up and automatically added into the translations bar of the different main page versions.
>>>> 
>>>> So if you created a translation at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/pt
>>>> 
>>>> that would automatically show up too.
>>>> 
>>>> Feel free to ping us if you have any more questions ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Mills
>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>> 
>>>> On 4 Apr 2013, at 09:43, Romain Briand <contact@romain-briand.fr> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Juarez,
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I started some french translation yesterday. You can go to this page for more information (Editor's guide) : http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide
>>>>> It is a wiki, so you can add pages like this : http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page/pt in order to translate the Main Page into Portuguese and so on.
>>>>> Be carreful there are some special page types for docs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Romain
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2013/4/4 Juarez P. A. Filho <juarezpaf@gmail.com>
>>>>> Hey everyone...
>>>>> 
>>>>> My name is Juarez and I am from Brazil and I am a Front-end Engineer.
>>>>> Just came in to the Web Platform Doc Sprint at Google San Francisco Office today and talked with Peter and July about the wiki and I am very excited to contributing with content, mainly translating the actual content to the Portuguese.
>>>>> So... How can I do that? Is there any common start step?
>>>>> Thanks in advance guys!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> J | Web Addict  +55 82 99482935 | +55 82 88093556
>>>>> http://facebook.com/juarezpaf | @juarezpaf
>>>>> 
>>>>> "The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
>>>>> Eleanor Roosevelt
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
>

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