- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:56:56 -0700
- To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
[We'll go for 2 hours again. Even at that, there will be minimal time
for discussion of each proposal (even the big ones). Please make your
viewpoint or friendly amendment known via email and be prepared for
up/down decisions on the proposals.]
0. Dial in information (members only) [.1]:
See the public WG page [.2] for pointers to current documents and other
information, and the private page [.3] for administrative matters.
If you have additions to the agenda, please email them to the WG list
before the start of the telcon.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2004Jul/0007.html
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/admin
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Agenda
1. Assign scribe. Lucky minute taker for this week is one of:
Adi Sakala, Umit Yalcinalp, Igor Sedukhin, Dale Moberg,
Paul Downey, Hugo Haas
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2. Approval of minutes:
- July 1 [.1]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0257.html
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3. Review of Action items [.1].
? 2004-04-01: Marsh will get schema tf going.
?ED 2004-05-19: Editors to include in the primer an example
that uses MTOM. (Issue 72)
?ED 2004-05-20: Editors to incorporate Hugo's full potato
proposal. (Issue 54)
?ED 2004-05-20: David Orchard to update HTTP binding to
include discussion of how to generate an
accepts header from schema annotations
conformant to the media types extension
document, and to use outputSerialization
based on that information.
?ED 2004-05-21: Editors to add ednotes to the spec to
indicate areas that had contention. (Issue
190)
DONE? [.10] 2004-05-21: DaveO to write up a scenario to motivate path
creation on a per-operation basis. (Issue
190)
?ED 2004-05-27: Editors to add http:faultSerialization
attribute.
DONE [.10] 2004-05-27: DaveO will write up better description of
this issue (189).
?ED 2004-06-10: Editors should correct issues 208, 213,
215, come back to WG if there are any
questions.
DONE [.5] 2004-06-17: Editor action to check that multiple style
values are allowed.
DONE [.5] 2004-06-17: Editors to adopt Mark's proposal for 216, but
reword using MUST.
DONE [.5] 2004-06-17: Editors to incorporate editorial fix addressing
issue 222.
DONE [.5] 2004-06-17: Editors to incorporate proposed resolution for
223 and 224.
?ED 2004-06-17: Editors to incorporate David Booth's clarification
in section 8.3 about what required means on MTOM
feature.
DONE [.11] 2004-06-24: David O will update his proposal for adding
async capability.
DONE [.3, .5] 2004-06-24: [Roberto] to synchronize specs, schema,
pseudo-schema on where f&p can appear.
?ED 2004-06-24: Editors to incorporate Jonathan's resolution
to issue 160.
?ED 2004-06-24: Editors to fix media-type reg frag id link,
per 209.
? 2004-07-01: JMarsh to explore Nov 10-12.
DONE [.2] 2004-07-01: DBooth to provide a sample (<x-specref>?)
?ED 2004-07-01: Editors to add cross-references for component
properties, per DBooth's example.
?ED 2004-07-01: Editors to add note pointing out that our SOAP
binding only allows a single element in the
body.
DONE [.4] 2004-07-01: Umit to write up a proposal on 168 by weekend.
DONE [.9] 2004-07-01: JMarsh to contact DaveO on whether issue 195 is
on composition model or on developing a language.
?ED 2004-07-01: DBooth to add sentence in the primer (per issue
197) saying that the scoping rules for
requiredness allow the value of the @required
attribute to be changed, and therefore the
writer should consider whether it is wise to
change a value that was set elsewhere by someone
else.
?ED 2004-07-01: Editors to incorporate Mark's proposals
2004Jun/0195.html and 2004Jun/0199.html, and
a reference to the charmod (Issue 210)
DONE [.8] 2004-07-01: Mark to reword his proposal on 211 to make it
more readable.
?ED 2004-07-01: Editors to incorporate solution proposed in
2004Jun/0276.html including Mark's amendment,
plus note that errors are an open set.
(Issue 218)
?ED 2004-07-01: Editors to include or import defn of "actual
value" from XML Schema. (Issue 219)
DONE [.7] 2004-07-01: MarkN to start a thread on 220 with the intent
to get a proposal by next week.
DONE [.5] 2004-07-01: Editors to incorporate Mark's proposal #1, with
ed license (see Roberto's suggestion) (Issue
225).
DONE [.6] 2004-07-01: MarkN to investigate type wording, to ensure
non-infoset type systems are allowed in
<types> (Issue 225 part 2).
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0018.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0014.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0037.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0059.html
[.6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0050.html
[.7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0049.html
[.8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0047.html
[.9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0022.html
[.10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0061.html
[.11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0287.html
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4. Administrivia
a. - August 2-4 (London)
Logistics [.1], registration [.2].
- September 14-16 (Toronto) [.3]
- November (West Coast) 8-10 webMethods Sunnyvale, CA.
Poll on moving to 9-11 [.4]
b. XMLP WG response to our comments [.5, .6]
- Postpone till next week.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/04-08-f2f.htm
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2004Mar/0064.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2004May/0000.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2004Jul/0008.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0036.html
[.6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0006.html
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5. Task Force Status.
a. Media type description
- 1st Working Draft Published [.1]
b. MTOM/XOP
- Last Call Published [.2]
c. QA & Testing
- Suggested QA plan [.3]
- More details from Arthur [.4]
- Interop bake-off
d. Schema versioning
- Waiting to hear back from Schema on my draft "charter."
- Henry's validate-twice write-up [.5]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-xml-media-types-20040608/
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0052.html
[.3]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Apr/att-0029/QA_Oper
ational_Checklist.htm
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Apr/0037.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Apr/0019.html
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6. New Issues. Issues list [.1].
- Consistent placement of <feature> and <property> (Sanjiva) [.2]
- Editorial issues with Part 3 (Hugo) [.3]
- MTOM/XOP support (Umit) [.4]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0267.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0011.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0038.html
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7. Editorial issues:
- In the hands of the editors:
208 Misc. editorial comments
213 Refine component model property constraints
215 Clarify rule obviation
- Proposed to go directly to editors without further discussion:
227 Description of Binding Operation component
235 Definition of Fault
231 Clarify "patterns"
232 Differentiate our MEPs from underlying protocol MEPs [.1]
234 Ruleset terminology
226 Cross-binding HTTP features
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0030.html
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8. Issue 177: Normative dependence on XML Schema 1.0 precludes
XML 1.1 [.1]
- Jonathan's proposal [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x177
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0258.html
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9. Issue 228: Should f&p be allowed in more places? [.1]
- Proposal to allow f&p on Interface Faults, Binding Faults,
and Fault References [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x228
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0039.html
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10. Issue 195: Property value merging [.1]
- We have a property composition model [.2]
- We don't have a language that helps navigate properties [.3]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x195
[.2]
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20.html?cont
ent-type=text/html%3B0charset=utf-8#Property_composition_model
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004May/0040.html
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11. Issue 112: New headers/body style? [.1]
- AD feature proposal (Dave, Glen, Yaron) [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x112
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0225.html
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12. Issue 158: Setting HTTP headers in the HTTP binding [.1]
- Postpone? (DaveO, Glen to champion)
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x158
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13. Issue 225: Non-XML type system extensibility. [.1]
- Mark's revised proposals [.2]
- Mark's proposals for <types> [.3]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x225
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0174.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0050.html
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14. Issue 230: {label} vs. {message label} [.1]
- Proposal to fix as editorial [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x230
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0051.html
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15. Issue 220: Document interface extension semantics [.1]
- Editorial directions [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x220
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0049.html
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16. Issue 233: Dynamically override Fault destination? [.1]
- Proposal to allow faults to be retargeted [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x220
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0052.html
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17. Issue 168: Which operation [.1]
- DBooth revived the thread at [.2]
- Analysis at [.3]
- Umit's proposal [.4]
- Paul's related question about faulst [.5]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x168
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0112.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0300.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0037.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0043.html
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18. webMethod issues:
- Issue 229: useOperationWebMethod proposal [.1]
- DaveO's proposal [.2]
- Issue 169: Syntax for webMethod - property or attribute? [.3]
- Proposal [.4]
- Atom WSDL binding example [.5]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x229
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0288.html
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x169
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0060.html
[.5] http://www.pacificspirit.com/blog/2004/07/05/atom_03_wsdl_20
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19. Issue 189: Binding message content to URI [.1]
- Issue details from DaveO [.2]
- Omitting content
- Attributes
- QNames
- ATOM WSDL example [.3]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x189
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0061.html
[.3] http://www.pacificspirit.com/blog/2004/07/05/atom_03_wsdl_20
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20. Issue 130: Need async request/response HTTP binding [.1]
- WG in favor of adding such a MEP, with some expressing a desire
that this be as lightweight as possible.
- Revived proposal from DaveO [.2]
- Sanjiva's alternative [.3]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x130
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jun/0287.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0040.html
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21. Issue 135: WSDL Specification readability (editorial) [.1]
- Proposed resolution from Yaron [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x135
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Mar/0059.html
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22. Issue 211: Omit interface message in binding? [.1]
- Mark's proposal [.2]
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x211
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Jul/0047.html
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23. Next steps
- Closing issues list on Parts 1, 2, 3 except to editorial issues.
- Email votes on any outstanding items?
- Last Call Schedule:
- July 15th (90 min telcon):
Editors complete editorial work for WG review.
Disposition of any outstanding editorial issues
- July 22nd (90 min or less telcon):
Approval of Last Call drafts.
- July 26th (aka May 87th) WSDL 2.0 Last Call publication.
- July 29th (no telcon)
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