- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:40:57 -0800
- To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
0. Dial in information (members only) [.1]:
See the public WG page [.2] for pointers to current documents and other
information, and the private page [.3] for administrative matters.
If you have additions to the agenda, please email them to the WG list
before the start of the telcon.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Oct/0033.html
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/admin
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Agenda
1. Assign scribe. Lucky minute taker for this week is:
Sandeep Kumar, (fallbacks: Kevin Liu, Erik Ackerman,
Igor Sedukhin, Ingo Melzer, Steve Lind)
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2. Approval of minutes:
- Oct 23rd telcon [.1].
[.1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/att-0221/031023-
ws-desc-irc.htm
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3. Review of Action items [.1].
? 2003-07-31: Philippe to make a proposal for fixing the
HTTP binding.
? 2003-09-11: Philippe to write a response to Mark Baker
proposing a property solution to HTTP verbs
and ask whether this satisfies his request.
? 2003-09-18: Marsh to review the QA operational
guidelines.
? 2003-09-23: Roberto, Glen: provide a counterproposal to
the current proposal for endpoint references.
DONE (no) 2003-10-09: JMarsh to consider adding JeffSch's suggestion
to revisit naming questions later, after
subtantive work is done, to future agenda.
? 2003-10-09: Bijan to look into message extensibility
Issues (Appendix E, Jacek's review) wrt RDF data,
and discuss with Jacek.
? 2003-10-09: Sanjiva: send email explaining rational for
pattern inference.
? 2003-10-16: Amy to provide a use-case for cyclical includes.
DONE [.2] 2003-10-23: JM to communicate this decision to XMLP
? 2003-10-23: JacekK to reformulate the return value RPC rule
not to be broken wrt null values
DONE [.3] 2003-10-23: Glen to send out expanded explanation of Features
and Properties
? 2003-10-23: Part2_Editors to clarify wording in
fault-replaces-message rule that a fault is
GENERATED but not necessarily SENT.
DONE 2003-10-23: Communicate MTOM requiremnet to JeffSch
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2003Oct/0060.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0144.html
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4. Administrivia
a. Membership changes:
- Sandra Swearingen resignation
- Lily Liu did non-resignation
b. Upcoming FTFs
- November 3-5, Sunnyvale [.1] (Fujitsu)
Draft agenda [.2]
* Add http binding topic? [.3]
- January 26-30, Bedford, MA (Sonic)
WSArch 26-28(noon)
WSDesc 28(noon)-30
- March 1-2 or 4-5, Cannes-Mandelieu, France.
b. Publication
- Draft ready for approval at FTF?
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/3/05/f2fNovLogistics.htm
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0243.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0230.html
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5. Task Force Status.
a. Properties and Features (dormant)
b. Patterns (dormant)
c. Attributes
d. QA & Testing
- Response to comments on QA Spec Guidelines [.2]
- Implement QA Operational guidelines? [.3]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0023.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0074.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Sep/0023.html
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6. New Issues. Merged issues list [.1].
- Limit to state (Mark Baker) [.2]
- <infault>/<outfault> vs. <fault>. [.3]
[.1] http://tinyurl.com/mwuy
(Note that [.1] redirects to
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.html)
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0150.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0177.html
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7. Issue #88 [.1] Rename "operation" to "messageExchange" (again!?).
Deferred while thread is running [.2]
[.1] http://tinyurl.com/mwuy#x88
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0024.html
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8. Optional interface/operation/(input|output)/@messageReference
That doesn't make any sense with what we have now.
Proposal: Mark REQUIRED.
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9. RPC-style rules
- Missing rules [.1]
- Syncing rules with SOAP 1.2 RPC [.2]
- Clearer statement of normativity [.3, .4]
- [chair is behind in following this thread]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0058.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0059.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0057.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0062.html
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10. Faults.
- Fault refs pointing to more than one message [.1]
Waiting for a use case to motivate this requirement.
- Proposal for faults [.2]; revised proposal [.3]
Is this proposal still on the table?
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0213.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0250.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0051.html
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11. Drop @headers
- Proposal from Sanjiva [.1]
- Related questions from Youenn [.2]
- Request from JJM to delay one week.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0107.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0033.html
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12. Multiple inline schemas [.1]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0074.html
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13. Uniqueness on the wire
- Proposal from Umit [.1]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Oct/0112.html
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[Remaining items awaiting actions or proposals.]
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15. Appendix E cleanup [.1]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0136.html
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16. Endpoint references
- Proposal from Arthur/Umit [.1]
- Awaiting simplified proposal from Roberto/Glen
- Motivation for R131 from DaveO [.2]
[.1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2003Sep/att-0071/ws-ref-
present-1.0.zip
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0181.html
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17. Pattern inference [.1]
(optional @pattern, optional @messageReference):
- Tabled decision on optional @pattern to future telcon.
- Tabled decision on optional @messageReference to a future telcon.
- Sanjiva proposes dropping redundant {direction} property from
the component model [.2]
- messageReference attribute is optional (inconsistent) [.3]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0172.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0210.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0127.html
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18. Optional operation/@name [.1]
Tabled decision to a future telcon.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0178.html
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19. Issue 2: SOAPAction has been deprecated, as of SOAP 1.2 [.1].
- Arthur's proposal to unify property URIs and QName URIs. [.2]
Alternatives include using property markup, or a QNamed
attribute. Awaiting more guidance text on properties and
features from Glen.
- Proposal for advertising QoS features of a Web service in WSDL [.3].
Awaiting analysis by Jonathan.
[.1] http://tinyurl.com/mwuy#x2
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0047.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0020.html
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20. Issue 64 [.1] Operations an HTTP verbs (Mark Baker) [.2, .3, .4]
- Jacek's synthesis [.5].
- Awaiting description from Philippe showing how properties or
extensions can be used to annotate the WSDL with RESTful
properties. Ask Mark for a definitive list of those properties
so we can consider how to associate them with property URIs or
namespaces.
[.1] http://tinyurl.com/mwuy#x64
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0094.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0103.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0111.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0095.html
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21. Using RDF in WSDL [.1].
Dependent upon RDF mapping first draft.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0076.html
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