- From: David Booth <dbooth@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:58:17 -0500
- To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Here are the results of the straw poll on the definition of "synchronous". Based on these results, I suggest that we: 1. Take definition ugo-2c (see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Mar/0074.html) as a starting point. 2. See if everyone can agree to the essence of that definition. If so, then: a. See if anyone wishes to make any minor modifications (i.e., friendly amendments); and b. Adopt the result. If not, then: c. Try to combine two or more of the candidate definitions. ------------------------ Straw Poll Results ----------------------- Results for poll: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Mar/0074.html Raw ballots are at: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wsa-ballots/2003Mar/ BallotCode: <FB-sync> MaxVotesPerVoter: 3 Number of voters: 14 Vote Totals (Weighted) ====================== (Votes were weighted linearly, with top preference getting 3 points.) Choice Points ugo-2c 16 ferris-1 13 geoff-1 9 cutler-1 8 dbooth-2 8 frank-2 6 frank-1 5 dbooth-1 4 moberg-1 4 walden-1 2 assaf-3 2 assaf-2 1 Votes by Sender =============== Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM: 1 geoff-1 (3 points) 2 ugo-2c (2 points) 3 cutler-1 (1 points) Geoff.Arnold@Sun.COM: 1 geoff-1 (3 points) 2 walden-1 (2 points) 3 ugo-2c (1 points) Mike.Champion@SoftwareAG-USA.com: 1 ugo-2c (3 points) 2 dbooth-2 (2 points) 3 cutler-1 (1 points) RogerCutler@chevrontexaco.com: 1 dbooth-2 (3 points) 2 cutler-1 (2 points) 3 ferris-1 (1 points) UCorda@SeeBeyond.com: 1 ugo-2c (3 points) abbieb@nortelnetworks.com: 1 frank-1 (3 points) chrisfer@us.ibm.com: 1 ferris-1 (3 points) 2 cutler-1 (2 points) 3 assaf-2 (1 points) dbooth@w3.org: 1 dbooth-2 (3 points) 2 dbooth-1 (2 points) 3 ferris-1 (1 points) fgm@fla.fujitsu.com: 1 frank-2 (3 points) 2 frank-1 (2 points) 3 ferris-1 (1 points) jones@research.att.com: 1 ferris-1 (3 points) 2 ugo-2c (2 points) 3 moberg-1 (1 points) katia@cs.cmu.edu: 1 ugo-2c (3 points) 2 dbooth-1 (2 points) 3 ferris-1 (1 points) martin.chapman@oracle.com: 1 ferris-1 (3 points) 2 assaf-3 (2 points) 3 moberg-1 (1 points) michael.mahan@nokia.com: 1 geoff-1 (3 points) 2 moberg-1 (2 points) 3 cutler-1 (1 points) zulah_eckert@hp.com: 1 frank-2 (3 points) 2 ugo-2c (2 points) 3 cutler-1 (1 points) [End] At 11:22 AM 3/11/2003 -0500, David Booth wrote: >At the end of our F2F meeting, I took an action to poll the working group >on the many "synchronous" definitions that were proposed. >This poll is not intended to decide on the definition of "synchronous" >directly, but only to narrow the field. Once we have narrowed the field, >I will try to make adjustments as needed to reach consensus on a common >definition. > > >HOW TO VOTE >[Ballot form adapted from http://www.debian.org/vote/howto_vote ] > >Erase everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line and erase everything >below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line. Do not erase anything between these >lines. > >Indicate your TOP THREE CHOICES. >In the brackets next to your most preferred choice, place a 1. Place >a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue till >you use 3 for your last choice. Leave other choices >blank. Start with 1, don't skip any numbers, don't repeat. > >Then mail the ballot to: member-wsa-ballots@w3.org . DO NOT SEND YOUR >BALLOT TO THE PUBLIC LIST. Just Replying to this >message should work, but check the "To:" line. Don't worry about spacing >of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. > >Ballots are due by the end of Thursday 13 March 2003. > >-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >synchronous Ballot <FB-sync> (Don't remove this marker) > >[1-3] Choice >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >[ ] geoff-1 (see definition below) >[ ] frank-1 (see definition below) >[ ] frank-2 (see definition below) >[ ] dbooth-2 (see definition below) >[ ] dbooth-1 (see definition below) >[ ] ugo-2c (see definition below) >[ ] daveo-1 (see definition below) >[ ] daveo-2 (see definition below) >[ ] moberg-1 (see definition below) >[ ] assaf-3 (see definition below) >[ ] cutler-1 (see definition below) >[ ] ferris-1 (see definition below) >[ ] mikec-1 (see definition below) >[ ] walden-1 (see definition below) >[ ] assaf-1 (see definition below) >[ ] assaf-2 (see definition below) >-=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > >Anything else may be rejected by the vote counting program. >You should see your vote in >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wsa-ballots/ >Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. > > >################################################################## >##################### Candidate Definitions ##################### >################################################################## > >Definition geoff-1 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Mar/0029.html >A message exchange pattern (MEP) is a formal description of how messages >are exchanged between two or more parties in support of some application >purpose. The pattern may define a single message sequence, or may >correspond to a "family" of sequences by including repeated or nested >sequences. An MEP is synchronous if the specification of the message >sequence(s) includes elements in which the transmission of a message >is dependent on either (a) the reception of some other message(s), or >(b) coordination based on a common clock. An MEP is asynchronous if it >includes no such dependencies. > >---- >Definition frank-1 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Mar/0023.html >[From from Communicating Sequential Processes] Synchronous A rendezvous >of two activities is synchronous if they complete simultaneously. > >---- >Definition frank-2 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Mar/0023.html >Synchronous activity An activity involved in a synchronous rendezvous >may assume that the rendezvous is complete for both sides if it 's >side completes. > >---- >Definition dbooth-2 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0455.html >Synchronous interaction >An interaction is synchronous if the parties are involved in the >interaction at the same time and the interaction carries an expectation of >immediate processing. A one-way interaction is synchronous if successful >message delivery implies that the message either has been processed by >the receiver or is actively being processed. A round-trip or more complex >interaction is synchronous if the initiator pauses some of its processing >to wait for the interaction's constituent messages to be processed. >In a round-trip interaction, the request and response are often sent >over the same communication channel. > >---- >Definition dbooth-1 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0222.html >Property of an interaction whose results are directly following the >interaction. An interaction between an initiator and a respondent is >synchronous if the initiator blocks some further processing while it >waits for a corresponding action, response or acknowledgement from >the respondent. > >---- >Definition ugo-2c >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0386.html >Asynchronous: A request/response interaction is said to be asynchronous >when the request and response are chronologically decoupled. In other >words, the client agent does not have to "wait" for the response once >it issues the initial request. The exact meaning of "not having to >wait" depends on the characteristics of the client agent (including the >transfer protocol it uses). Examples include receiving the response on >a different thread, on a different socket, on a different end-point, >by polling the server, etc. > >Synchronous: The opposite of asynchronous. > >---- >Definition daveo-1 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0432.html >synchronous >a programmatic flow of control on the sender effectively does nothing but >wait for a response after sending it's request > >---- >Definition daveo-2 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0432.html >synchronous >the request and response flow forwards and backwards over the same >virtual connection between the sender and receiver. > >---- >Definition moberg-1 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0343.html >A web service response is said to be synchronous iff it is returned >using the same network connection used in sending the request to which >it is a response. (This implies that only one URL would be needed >for request-response MEP when the response is synchronous and uses a >transfer protocol that has URLs. It also implies that the request and >response occur within the interval of time that the network connection >exists. Also, there is overhead in setting up only one TCP connection >when TCP is used, and since we are talking about IP _connections_ that >will be almost always the case.) > >A web service response is said to asynchronous iff it is returned using >a network connection that is distinct from that used for sending the >request to which it is a response. (Implications: Two URLs are needed to >configure a request-response MEP when the response is ==>asynchronous. The >response connection may occur while the request connection is still open >or after it is closed. For TCP-based transfer protocols, two connection >setups will be needed.) > >---- >Definition assaf-3 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0354.html >A transport is synchronous iff the request is returned using the same >network connection. > >---- >Definition cutler-1 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0358.html >Synchronous: a request/response exchange that is correlated by virtue of a >serialized, sequenced exchange of messages between requestor and >respondant, typically over the same socket or stream. > >Asynchronous: a request/response exchange that is not synchronous, >typically relying on some mechanism such as Message-ID within the messages >to correlate the request and response messages. > >---- >Definition ferris-1 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0437.html >synchronous message exchange (applies to oneway as well as >request/response) requires that both sender and receiver, or initiator >and respondant, processes are running/active at the same time as the >exchange takes place. In the case of request/response, the exchange is >synchronous if both sender and receiver remain in the running/active >state for both the request and response. > >asynchronous message exchange (also applies to oneway or request response) >does not require, but does not preclude, that both sender and receiver, >or initiator and respondant, processes are running/active at the same >time as the exchange takes place. It typcally requires some form of >mediation between the sender and receiver such as a message queue. > >---- >Definition mikec-1 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0318.html >(Taken from >http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci213080,00.html ?) >In program-to-program communication, synchronous communication requires >that each end of an exchange of communication respond in turn without >initiating a new communication. A typical activity that might use a >synchronous protocol would be a transmission of files from one point >to another. As each transmission is received, a response is returned >indicating success or the need to resend. Each successive transmission >of data requires a response to the previous transmission before a new >one can be initiated. Synchronous program communication is contrasted >with asynchronous program communication. > >---- >Definition walden-1 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0326.html >Synchronous, then, places a constraint on a response such that the response >must be received within a strictly or loosely defined time quantum (strict >vs lax synchrony), or else the exchange fails. >Asynchronous differs in that no amount of elapsed time signals the failure >of the exchange. > >---- >Definition assaf-1 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0321.html >An operation is synchronous if both service requester and service provider >engage will always engage in that operation at the same time. > >---- >Definition assaf-2 >http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-arch/2003Feb/0321.html >An interaction is synchronous if activities demarcated by that interaction >will always be performed at the same time. > >[End] > > > >-- >David Booth >W3C Fellow / Hewlett-Packard >Telephone: +1.617.253.1273 -- David Booth W3C Fellow / Hewlett-Packard Telephone: +1.617.253.1273
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