Words for the Triangles

OK, its not fair to make Chris a gatekeeper and filter for Heathers
ramblings...

Here are the words I have for the triangles... and a shot at where the
triangle variations would go. Its in HTML (genned from Word) and
will need to be munged into the arch document by editors.

It is also a derivation fo the white paper we already had on Web Services
"Web Services Conceptual Architecture". I have permission to plaguerize and
contribute this to the w3c.  I tried to scrub it for blatent 'IBM View'
stuff, I may have missed some.

(See attached file: HKsContribution.triangle.htm)

More words to follow on wire/description/discovery agency. I am taking the
starter set from the same white paper and trying to re-munge for the
discussions we've already had and some progress we've made in the industry
that are not represented in my old words.

Heather Kreger
Web Services Lead Architect
STSM, SWG Emerging Technology
kreger@us.ibm.com
919-543-3211 (t/l 441)  cell:919-496-9572


Katia Sycara <katia@cs.cmu.edu>@w3.org on 09/24/2002 11:02:27 AM

Sent by:    www-ws-arch-request@w3.org


To:    Heather Kreger/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS, www-ws-arch@w3.org,
       michael.mahan@nokia.com
cc:    katia@cs.cmu.edu
Subject:    RE: arch diagrams from the f2f




Hether,
 you had said you had some text giving definitions to the works you are
using in the diagrams you sent. Can you please send us these definitions?
Without these definitions it is unclear what you intended (e.g.
implementation descriptin, interface description).
 Also, I do not see that QOS, security and management deal with all the
"boxes". For example what is the QoS of an Interface description?
 Thanks, Katia

-----Original Message-----
From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Heather Kreger
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:37 PM
To: www-ws-arch@w3.org; michael.mahan@nokia.com
Subject: RE: arch diagrams from the f2f






How about we do the simple triangle first that 'seems' client server.  I
have sent words for the triangle to chris the editor to render in
acceptable xml.

The only problem with the triange with the peer to peer is that it makes it
look like the pure requester is part of the scenario. I'd rather create a
new triangle that we present separately with appropriate words.

So, first simple 'requester/provider' triangle (btw, we didn't call them
client and server on purpose for exactly this reason)
Then we do a peer to peer
And then Rogers variation:
See attached:

(See attached file: triangle.variations.ppt)

ideas?

Heather Kreger
Web Services Lead Architect
STSM, SWG Emerging Technology
kreger@us.ibm.com
919-543-3211 (t/l 441)  cell:919-496-9572


michael.mahan@nokia.com@w3.org on 09/23/2002 03:28:58 PM

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To:    <jones@research.att.com>, <RogerCutler@ChevronTexaco.com>, Heather
       Kreger/Raleigh/IBM@IBMUS
cc:    <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
Subject:    RE: arch diagrams from the f2f



Here is a diagram which better demonstrates p2p graphically.

BR, Mike

>-----Original Message-----
>From: ext jones@research.att.com [mailto:jones@research.att.com]
>Sent: September 23, 2002 01:57 PM
>To: RogerCutler@ChevronTexaco.com; jones@research.att.com;
>kreger@us.ibm.com
>Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
>Subject: RE: arch diagrams from the f2f
>
>
>
>I think the compromise would be to base most of the initial discussion
>around the simple, unadorned triangle, laying out the range of
>possibilities
>in the text.  The elaborated diagrams should either reflect a union of
>the abstractions and/or instantiations in the space or should reflect
>a particular architectural style.  I would be comfortable with
>the former
>if it doesn't make things too confusing, but would gladly accept the
>latter.
>
>--mark
>
>Mark A. Jones
>AT&T Labs
>Shannon Laboratory
>Room 2A-02
>180 Park Ave.
>Florham Park, NJ  07932-0971
>
>email: jones@research.att.com
>phone: (973) 360-8326
>  fax: (973) 236-6453
>
>     From RogerCutler@ChevronTexaco.com Mon Sep 23 13:45 EDT 2002
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><RogerCutler@ChevronTexaco.com>
>     To: "'Mark Jones'" <jones@research.att.com>,
>             "Heather Kreger" <kreger@us.ibm.com>
>     Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
>     Subject: RE: arch diagrams from the f2f
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>     I am still concerned that these diagrams seem visually
>to restrict web
>     services to one messaging pattern.  No matter what the
>words might say in
>     the text, I think that having pictures that leave this
>impression would not
>     be good.
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Mark Jones [mailto:jones@research.att.com]
>     Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 1:50 PM
>     To: Heather Kreger
>     Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
>     Subject: Re: arch diagrams from the f2f
>
>
>     Heather,
>
>     I  added 3 slides at the end of the set that you sent
>out.  I rearranged
>     and simplified the boxes and labels a bit.  I also
>began to append
>     concrete technology labels on some of the boxes.  (I
>just made a cursory
>     pass at this to see what it would look like.  Feel free
>to further flesh
>     it out.)  At least while we are deciding on the correct
>set of boxes and
>     labels, I think it helps to identify them.
>
>     Mark Jones
>     AT&T
>
>
>     Heather Kreger wrote:
>
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >Hi folks, Here are the architecture diagrams I drafted
>up during our
>     >meeting today. I have some words for some of this
>stuff that I will
>     >align and send to the group as soon as
>     >humanly possible.
>     >
>     >(See attached file: w3cStack.ppt)
>     >
>     >I have permission from IBM to submit both this stack
>and the origional
>     >triangle to the W3C for inclusion into the architecture and
>     >modification by the working group.
>     >
>     >Heather Kreger
>     >Web Services Lead Architect
>     >STSM, SWG Emerging Technology
>     >kreger@us.ibm.com
>     >919-543-3211 (t/l 441)  cell:919-496-9572
>     >
>
>
>
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