- From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
- Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:42:16 -0400
- To: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
- CC: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Dan Appelquist <dan@bluevia.com>, Stuart Williams <skw@epimorphics.com>, Amy van der Hiel <amy@w3.org>
I have prepared a draft of the TAG F2F agenda at [1,2], and also provided
it in text-only form below. Note that time slots have yet to be assigned,
but we will as usual assemble between 8 and 9 to start real work at 9.
Also: I expect that the first two technical sessions in the morning will be
the ones with Mark Nottingham, who has kindly agreed to join us as long as
he can be done by noon.
Comments and suggestions are welcome. Thank you.
Noah
[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/07-agenda.html
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/tag-weekly
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[1]W3C | [2]TAG
[1] http://www.w3.org/
[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/
W3C TAG meeting 7-9 October 2012 in London, UK
WORK IN PROGRESS DRAFT
Nearby: [3]work plan - [4]issues list - [5]findings -
[6]www-tag archive - [7]tag archive - Actions: ([8]open,
[9]pending review) [10]logistics
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/
[4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues
[5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings
[6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/
[7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/
[8] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open
[9] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview
[10] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/local-arrangements.html
Online table of: [11]scribing assignments
[11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/F2FScribing.html
Agenda Summary
Time slots will be assigned later.
Logistics
Venue
BCS, The Chartered Institute for IT
First Floor, The Davidson Building
5 Southampton Street London WC2E 7HA
Tel: +44 (0) 1793 417 666 | Fax: +44 (0) 1793 417 669
We are scheduled to meet in the Wilkes Room all three days.
See [12]logistics for further details.
[12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/local-arrangements.html
Required Reading
* [13]Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers and Media Type
Definitions W3C Editor's Draft 23 September 2012
* [14]Updated Product Page on Fragment Identifier Work
* [15]RFC 3023bis regarding fragment ID semantics for +xml
media types
* First Public Working Draft [16]Publishing and Linking on
the Web: W3C Working Draft 18 September 2012
* [17]background statement from JAR and HT (28 September
2012) ([18]snapshot)
* [19]31 March 2012 telcon discussion of Offline Web
Applications
* [20]Web Architcture Objectives Matrix
[13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mimeTypesAndFragids-2012-09-23.html
[14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/fragids-2012-09-26.html
[15]
http://www.w3.org/2006/02/son-of-3023/draft-murata-kohn-lilley-xml-04.html
[16] http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-publishing-linking-20120918/
[17] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27/Background
[18]
http://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=TagIssue57Proposal27/Background&oldid=61033
[19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/03/31-minutes.html#item04
[20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/objectives-matrix-20120930
Agenda Details
1. Convene, review agenda
+ Scribes: TAG members are encouraged to sign up for
scribing by using CVS to edit [21]scribing assignments
table, or by emailing the chair
+ Roll call
o Regrets: Robin Berjon, Jonathan Rees
o Jonathan can attend by phone starting around 1:00
London time (8:00 US Eastern).
+ Approve minutes of teleconferences:
o [22]20 September 2012
o [23]27 September 2012
+ F2F Main Goals:
o Go to last call on Fragment Identifiers
Recommendation
o Review comments on Publishing and Linking FPWD
o Set direction for documenting URI meaning (&
httpRange-14)
o Meet w/Mark Nottingham to discuss HTTP 2.0 & URI
scheme proliferation
2. Review TAG Priorities for 2012 - 2013
+ Goals:
o Remind ourselves of priorities and commitments
from [24]TAG product pages
o The Sunday session is primarily a quick level-set
at the start of the F2F — updates and debates
about the priorities will happen as we go along
and in a session on Tuesdeay.
3. Administration:
+ Future TAG F2F meetings
o Choose location/dates for winter meeting
o Start thinking about location/dates for spring
meeting
o TPAC (next item)
+ TPAC Planning
o Note AB interest in meeting with TAG
o Larry Masinter suggests we think about Publishing
and Linking for TPAC
o NOTE: Larry, Peter and Ashok will attend TPAC,
Henry is hoping to. Noah has a conflict and so
will not.
+ Group photo
+ Upcoming TAG election and open seat: four TAG seats
will be filled in the upcoming election. Should the
TAG do anything to facilitate a successful election
(noting the unusually large number of open positions,
and thus the likely large impact on the TAG.)
4. HTTP 2.0:
+ [25]IETF HTTP Bis Working Group chair [26]Mark
Nottingham will join us for this session
+ Goal:
o Get update from Mark Nottingham on HTTP 2.0
o Decide whether TAG action is needed on HTTP
futures
+ Background:
o [27]January 2012 F2F discussion with Mark
Nottingham
o [28]ACTION-682: on - Jonathan Rees - When HTTPbis
group says time is right, suggest to TAG sections
of HTTPbis specification that TAG should review -
Due: 2012-10-06 - OPEN
o [29]ACTION-733: on - Larry Masinter - prepare for
30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012
F2F - Due: 2012-09-28 - OPEN
o Earlier background:
# Thread starting with e-mail from Yves Lafon:
[30]Discussion points on HTTP "evolutions"
[ACTION-618] — also related thread starting
with [31]response from Larry Masinter
# [32]ACTION-618: on - Yves Lafon - With help
from Larry, Noah, and Jeni to prepare
analysis on development around HTTP, like
spdy, ssl use, websocket... - Due:
2011-12-06 - CLOSED
# [33]ACTION-626: on - Noah Mendelsohn -
Schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG
should continue to be involved with SPDY -
Due: 2011-11-15 - CLOSED
# [34]TPAC 2011 Discussion of SPDY
# [35]Jeni Tennison's email on SPDY and
related thread ([36]here and [37]here too)
# June 2011 F2F [38]session with Jim Gettys on
[39]buffer bloat
5. URI scheme proliferation:
+ Mark Nottingham will join us for this session
+ Goal:
o Consider need for TAG focus on URI scheme
proliferation
+ Background:
o E-mail from Henry Thompson [40]FYI: Suffixed
media type registrations about to go forward
o [41]ACTION-724: on - Henry Thompson - investigate
possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation
and extension points - Due: 2012-10-05 - OPEN
6. Fragment identifier semantics:
+ Product page: [42]TAG Product: Fragment Identifiers
and Mime Types
+ TAG members assigned (as listed in product page): Jeni
Tennison, Larry Masinter (offered to help on 3 May
2012), Henry Thompson, Yves Lafon (replacing Jonathan
Rees as agreed at June 2011 F2F), Peter Linss (offered
to help on 4 August 2011)
+ Goals:
o Agree to publish last call working draft of
[43]Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers and
Media Type Definitions
o Agree input to [44]RFC 3023bis regarding fragment
ID semantics for +xml media types (We may do this
as a separate session if necessary)
+ Background:
o TAG Recommendation on Fragment IDS:
# [45]Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers
and Media Type Definitions W3C Editor's
Draft 23 September 2012 (required reading)
# [46]Updated Product Page (required reading)
o RFC 3023bis and Fragment ID Semantics
# [47]ACTION-689: on - Henry Thompson - work
with Noah to draft a further request to the
3023bis editor from the TAG to include
advice regarding what a particular +xml
media type registration should do wrt fragid
semantics along the lines in the discussion
on media types and fragment identifiers at
the f2f on 2012-04-04 - Due: 2012-10-01 -
OPEN
# [48]RFC 3023bis regarding fragment ID
semantics for +xml media types (required
reading)
7. Issue list for Jeff Jaffe:
+ Goal:
o Start building list of issues to highlight for
Jeff Jaffe
+ Background:
o [49]ACTION-563: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Arrange
for periodic TAG key issues reports to Jeff per
June 2011 F2F - Due: 2012-11-01 - OPEN
8. Publishing and linking on the Web:
+ TAG members assigned: Larry Masinter, Ashok Malhotra
+ Goals:
o Review comments on First Public Working Draft
[50]Publishing and Linking on the Web: W3C
Working Draft 18 September 2012
o Update [51]product page to reflect current plans,
goals and success criteria
+ See also agenda item on [52]governance
+ Background:
o First Public Working Draft [53]Publishing and
Linking on the Web: W3C Working Draft 18
September 2012 (required reading)
o
o [54]ACTION-732: on - Larry Masinter - prepare
FPWD on Publishing and Linking - Due: 2012-09-05
- CLOSED
o [55]ACTION-737: on - Yves Lafon - On Tuesday 4
Sept, if no objections, publish FPWD on
Publishing and Linking - Due: 2012-09-06 - CLOSED
o [56]ACTION-667: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Check,
when publishing and linking wraps, whether it's
time to reinvest in
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Regi
stries.html - Due: 2012-07-15 - OPEN
9. Architecture of the World Wide Semantic Web (AWWSW):
+ Jonathan Rees requests 30 mins: review final report
drafts and either accept them, or request additional
work (of Jonathan; the task group has disbanded).
+ [57]ACTION-201: on - Jonathan Rees - Report on status
of AWWSW discussions - Due: 2012-10-02 - OPEN
10. Governance Framework:
+ Larry Masinter requests brief consideration of
[58]Governance and Web Architecture W3C Editor's Draft
22 September 201
11. Documenting meaning of individual IRIs (ISSUE-57):
+ Product page: [59]TAG Product: URI Documentation
Discovery
+ TAG members assigned: Henry Thompson with help from
Jonathan Rees & Jeni Tennison
+ Goals:
o Decide how to discharge our obligation to the
community regarding what we did with the
proposals that they provided us back in the
spring
o Review new [60]background statement from JAR and
HT (28 September 2012) ([61]snapshot)
o Review "URI Usage Primer" (forthcoming)
o Review "Proposal 27" (forthcoming)
+ Background:
o [62]ACTION-704: on - Jonathan Rees - with help
from Jeni and Henry to try to identify next steps
for moving forward on httpRange-14 - Due:
2012-09-17 - OPEN
o Jeni Tennision says she may prepare a primer
([63]e-mail)
o Proposal "27" (to be supplied)
o [64]background statement from JAR and HT (28
September 2012) ([65]snapshot) (required reading)
12. Offline applications:
+ TAG member assigned: Ashok Malhotra
+ Goal:
o Decide whether to launch initiative on offline
Web applications
o If so, prepare product page with goals, success
criteria and dates.
o Clarify relationship to [66]ACTION-717: on -
Ashok Malhotra - Propose outline for possible TAG
document (finding or rec) on architectural issues
relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. Due
2012-07-15 - Due: 2012-10-10 - OPEN
+ Background:
o [67]ACTION-529: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule
telcon discussion of a potential TAG product
relating to offline applications and packaged Web
- Due: 2011-02-17 - CLOSED
o [68]31 March 2012 telcon discussion of Offline
Web Applications (required reading)
o [69]ACTION-717: on - Ashok Malhotra - Propose
outline for possible TAG document (finding or
rec) on architectural issues relating to storage
sync, linked data, etc. Due 2012-07-15 - Due:
2012-10-10 - OPEN
13. Privacy (need to draft agenda item -- note Robin Berjon was
responsible for work in this area
14. TAG effectiveness:
+ TAG member assigned: Noah Mendelsohn
+ Goals
o Consider followup to [70]June Discussion of TAG
Effectiveness ([71]part 1 and [72]part 2)
o Review [73]Wed Architecture Objectives Matrix
+ Background:
o [74]Objectives matrix (required reading)
o [75]ACTION-726: on - Jonathan Rees - Make a list
of questions to which webarch and the findings
suggest answers, as input to possible 'study
design' and/or communication to chairs etc. -
Due: 2012-09-17 - CLOSED
o Larry Masinter has suggested using the matrix for
"outward facing purposes"
o [76]ACTION-725 on JT - progress ?
o Maybe: 10 minutes to talk about TAG issues list
(this was JAR's discussion-closing suggestion at
an earlier F2F, see [77]ACTION-692: on - Noah
Mendelsohn - consider JAR's april request to
discuss, for 10 mins, issues list at oct f2f -
Due: 2012-09-10 - OPEN, perhaps mooted by
objectives matrix)
o [78]ACTION-709: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Talk to
Jeff & W3M about TAG futures - Due: 2012-06-06 -
CLOSED
15. TAG Election Procedures
+ Goals:
o Understand concerns that have been raised about
TAG election procedures (followup to
[79]discussion on 26 April 2012 teleconference)
o Decide what role, if any, it's appropriate for
the TAG to play in addressing such concerns
o If based on the above considerations it's
appropriate for the TAG to get involved,
investigate the merits of the concerns raised,
and decide on next steps
+ Background:
o Robin Berjon has made [80]proposals for
"reforming" the TAG election process
o [81]Discussion on 26 April 2012 teleconference
o [82]ACTION-701: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Follow up
with Robin on election reform - Due: 2012-08-01 -
OPEN
o [83]ACTION-702: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Follow up
with Robin on election reform proposals - Due:
2012-05-03 - CLOSED
o The chair (Noah) has [84]commented "...changes to
the W3C process are formally the responsibility
of the AB, W3C management and the AC. Normally,
we don't discuss process issues on the TAG,
except when they affect our ability to do our
technical work [...] Obviously, changing the
processes relating to the TAG itself is a special
case, and I'm fine with scheduling some informal
brainstorming". Larry [85]raises a similar
concern. The chair then [86]wrote: "we will have
a brief discussion of this on Thursday, and we
will do it with the understanding that any formal
work on changing the process is coordinated by
the AB/Team/AC."
o See also extensive e-mail thread(s) with subject
[87]TAG productivity, elections, and httpRange-14
(but note that for discussion on 25 April, the
chair intends to limit the scope to election
reform, and not to broader questions of TAG
findings, TAG effectiveness, etc.)
16. Action item review:
+ [88]Pending review actions in [89]Tracker
+ [90]Overdue actions in [91]Tracker
+ [92]Open actions in [93]Tracker
17. Open issue review:
+ This is an optional agenda item: we'll do it if
there's time
+ Goal: review our list of [94]open issues — look
especially for issues that are open but dormant decide
to assign resource/close/leave as background activity.
18. Outplan:
+ The following are potentially worth discussing, but
are not formally scheduled on the agenda:
o [95]ACTION-669: on - Henry Thompson - Review
http://www.w3.org/TR/qaframe-spec/#ref-define-pra
ctice and see whether TAG needs to do more on
references to evolving specs Due: 2012-08-01 -
Due: 2013-01-01 - OPEN
o polyglot (HT)
o HTML extension registry (JT)
o privacy (NM?)
o scalability (PL)
o vendor prefixes (PL)
o ISSUE-50 if progress has been made (JAR, HT)
# [96]ACTION-478: on - Jonathan Rees - Prepare
a second draft of a finding on persistence
of references, to be based on decision tree
from Oct. 2010 F2F - Due: 2012-10-06 - OPEN
# [97]ACTION-666: on - Henry Thompson - Update
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/persiste
nce-2012-01-23.html to reflect agreement on
26 January telcon regarding settling at F2F
- Due: 2012-09-01 - CLOSED (someone
commented: Have been making progress in
background on what to do with this, based on
input from HT and LM, but not sure I'll have
anything to discuss.)
__________________________________________________________
[21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/F2FScribing.html
[22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/09/20-minutes
[23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/09/27-minutes
[24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/
[25] https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/httpbis/charter/
[26] http://www.mnot.net/
[27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/01/06-minutes#item02
[28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/682
[29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/733
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Dec/0034.html
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Dec/0042.html
[32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/618
[33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/626
[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/11/04-minutes.html#item01
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Sep/0033.html
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Sep/0035.html
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Sep/0050.html
[38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/06/06-minutes.html#item0x
[39] http://mirrors.bufferbloat.net/Talks/PragueIETF/
[40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Sep/0012.html
[41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/724
[42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/fragids.html
[43] http://www.w3.org/TR/fragid-best-practices/
[44]
http://www.w3.org/2006/02/son-of-3023/draft-murata-kohn-lilley-xml-04.html
[45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mimeTypesAndFragids-2012-09-23.html
[46] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/fragids-2012-09-26.html
[47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/689
[48]
http://www.w3.org/2006/02/son-of-3023/draft-murata-kohn-lilley-xml-04.html
[49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/563
[50] http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-publishing-linking-20120918/
[51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PublishingLinking.html
[53] http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-publishing-linking-20120918/
[54] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/732
[55] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/737
[56] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/667
[57] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/201
[58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/governanceFramework.html
[59] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/defininguris.html
[60] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27/Background
[61]
http://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=TagIssue57Proposal27/Background&oldid=61033
[62] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/704
[63] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Sep/0015.html
[64] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27/Background
[65]
http://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=TagIssue57Proposal27/Background&oldid=61033
[66] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/717
[67] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/529
[68] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/03/31-minutes.html#item04
[69] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/717
[70] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/tag-weekly
[71] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/06/13-minutes#item02
[72] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/06/14-minutes#item03
[73] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/objectives-matrix-20120930
[74] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/09/action-726
[75] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/726
[76] https://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/725
[77] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/692
[78] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/709
[79] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/26-minutes#item04
[80] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0105.html
[81] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/26-minutes#item04
[82] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/701
[83] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/702
[84] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0143.html
[85] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0147.html
[86] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0151.html
[87] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0153.html
[88] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview
[89] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
[90] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue
[91] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
[92] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open
[93] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/
[94] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/open
[95] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/669
[96] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478
[97] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/666
Noah Mendelsohn for the TAG
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