- From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
- Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:41:05 -0400
- To: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
- CC: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>, Dan Appelquist <dan@bluevia.com>, Stuart Williams <skw@epimorphics.com>, Amy van der Hiel <amy@w3.org>
I have prepared a draft of the TAG F2F agenda at [1,2], and also provided it in text-only form below. Note that time slots have yet to be assigned, but we will as usual assemble between 8 and 9 to start real work at 9. Also: I expect that the first two technical sessions in the morning will be the ones with Mark Nottingham, who has kindly agreed to join us as long as he can be done by noon. Comments and suggestions are welcome. Thank you. Noah [1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/07-agenda.html [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/tag-weekly ==================================================================== [1]W3C | [2]TAG [1] http://www.w3.org/ [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ W3C TAG meeting 7-9 October 2012 in London, UK WORK IN PROGRESS DRAFT Nearby: [3]work plan - [4]issues list - [5]findings - [6]www-tag archive - [7]tag archive - Actions: ([8]open, [9]pending review) [10]logistics [3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/ [4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues [5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/ [7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/ [8] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open [9] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview [10] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/local-arrangements.html Online table of: [11]scribing assignments [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/F2FScribing.html Agenda Summary Time slots will be assigned later. Logistics Venue BCS, The Chartered Institute for IT First Floor, The Davidson Building 5 Southampton Street London WC2E 7HA Tel: +44 (0) 1793 417 666 | Fax: +44 (0) 1793 417 669 We are scheduled to meet in the Wilkes Room all three days. See [12]logistics for further details. [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/10/local-arrangements.html Required Reading * [13]Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers and Media Type Definitions W3C Editor's Draft 23 September 2012 * [14]Updated Product Page on Fragment Identifier Work * [15]RFC 3023bis regarding fragment ID semantics for +xml media types * First Public Working Draft [16]Publishing and Linking on the Web: W3C Working Draft 18 September 2012 * [17]background statement from JAR and HT (28 September 2012) ([18]snapshot) * [19]31 March 2012 telcon discussion of Offline Web Applications * [20]Web Architcture Objectives Matrix [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mimeTypesAndFragids-2012-09-23.html [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/fragids-2012-09-26.html [15] http://www.w3.org/2006/02/son-of-3023/draft-murata-kohn-lilley-xml-04.html [16] http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-publishing-linking-20120918/ [17] http://www.w3.org/wiki/TagIssue57Proposal27/Background [18] http://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=TagIssue57Proposal27/Background&oldid=61033 [19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/03/31-minutes.html#item04 [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/objectives-matrix-20120930 Agenda Details 1. Convene, review agenda + Scribes: TAG members are encouraged to sign up for scribing by using CVS to edit [21]scribing assignments table, or by emailing the chair + Roll call o Regrets: Robin Berjon, Jonathan Rees o Jonathan can attend by phone starting around 1:00 London time (8:00 US Eastern). + Approve minutes of teleconferences: o [22]20 September 2012 o [23]27 September 2012 + F2F Main Goals: o Go to last call on Fragment Identifiers Recommendation o Review comments on Publishing and Linking FPWD o Set direction for documenting URI meaning (& httpRange-14) o Meet w/Mark Nottingham to discuss HTTP 2.0 & URI scheme proliferation 2. Review TAG Priorities for 2012 - 2013 + Goals: o Remind ourselves of priorities and commitments from [24]TAG product pages o The Sunday session is primarily a quick level-set at the start of the F2F — updates and debates about the priorities will happen as we go along and in a session on Tuesdeay. 3. Administration: + Future TAG F2F meetings o Choose location/dates for winter meeting o Start thinking about location/dates for spring meeting o TPAC (next item) + TPAC Planning o Note AB interest in meeting with TAG o Larry Masinter suggests we think about Publishing and Linking for TPAC o NOTE: Larry, Peter and Ashok will attend TPAC, Henry is hoping to. Noah has a conflict and so will not. + Group photo + Upcoming TAG election and open seat: four TAG seats will be filled in the upcoming election. Should the TAG do anything to facilitate a successful election (noting the unusually large number of open positions, and thus the likely large impact on the TAG.) 4. HTTP 2.0: + [25]IETF HTTP Bis Working Group chair [26]Mark Nottingham will join us for this session + Goal: o Get update from Mark Nottingham on HTTP 2.0 o Decide whether TAG action is needed on HTTP futures + Background: o [27]January 2012 F2F discussion with Mark Nottingham o [28]ACTION-682: on - Jonathan Rees - When HTTPbis group says time is right, suggest to TAG sections of HTTPbis specification that TAG should review - Due: 2012-10-06 - OPEN o [29]ACTION-733: on - Larry Masinter - prepare for 30 minute report on HTTP 2.0/SPDY at October 2012 F2F - Due: 2012-09-28 - OPEN o Earlier background: # Thread starting with e-mail from Yves Lafon: [30]Discussion points on HTTP "evolutions" [ACTION-618] — also related thread starting with [31]response from Larry Masinter # [32]ACTION-618: on - Yves Lafon - With help from Larry, Noah, and Jeni to prepare analysis on development around HTTP, like spdy, ssl use, websocket... - Due: 2011-12-06 - CLOSED # [33]ACTION-626: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule discussion of how, if at all, TAG should continue to be involved with SPDY - Due: 2011-11-15 - CLOSED # [34]TPAC 2011 Discussion of SPDY # [35]Jeni Tennison's email on SPDY and related thread ([36]here and [37]here too) # June 2011 F2F [38]session with Jim Gettys on [39]buffer bloat 5. URI scheme proliferation: + Mark Nottingham will join us for this session + Goal: o Consider need for TAG focus on URI scheme proliferation + Background: o E-mail from Henry Thompson [40]FYI: Suffixed media type registrations about to go forward o [41]ACTION-724: on - Henry Thompson - investigate possible TAG efforts on URI scheme proliferation and extension points - Due: 2012-10-05 - OPEN 6. Fragment identifier semantics: + Product page: [42]TAG Product: Fragment Identifiers and Mime Types + TAG members assigned (as listed in product page): Jeni Tennison, Larry Masinter (offered to help on 3 May 2012), Henry Thompson, Yves Lafon (replacing Jonathan Rees as agreed at June 2011 F2F), Peter Linss (offered to help on 4 August 2011) + Goals: o Agree to publish last call working draft of [43]Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers and Media Type Definitions o Agree input to [44]RFC 3023bis regarding fragment ID semantics for +xml media types (We may do this as a separate session if necessary) + Background: o TAG Recommendation on Fragment IDS: # [45]Best Practices for Fragment Identifiers and Media Type Definitions W3C Editor's Draft 23 September 2012 (required reading) # [46]Updated Product Page (required reading) o RFC 3023bis and Fragment ID Semantics # [47]ACTION-689: on - Henry Thompson - work with Noah to draft a further request to the 3023bis editor from the TAG to include advice regarding what a particular +xml media type registration should do wrt fragid semantics along the lines in the discussion on media types and fragment identifiers at the f2f on 2012-04-04 - Due: 2012-10-01 - OPEN # [48]RFC 3023bis regarding fragment ID semantics for +xml media types (required reading) 7. Issue list for Jeff Jaffe: + Goal: o Start building list of issues to highlight for Jeff Jaffe + Background: o [49]ACTION-563: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Arrange for periodic TAG key issues reports to Jeff per June 2011 F2F - Due: 2012-11-01 - OPEN 8. Publishing and linking on the Web: + TAG members assigned: Larry Masinter, Ashok Malhotra + Goals: o Review comments on First Public Working Draft [50]Publishing and Linking on the Web: W3C Working Draft 18 September 2012 o Update [51]product page to reflect current plans, goals and success criteria + See also agenda item on [52]governance + Background: o First Public Working Draft [53]Publishing and Linking on the Web: W3C Working Draft 18 September 2012 (required reading) o o [54]ACTION-732: on - Larry Masinter - prepare FPWD on Publishing and Linking - Due: 2012-09-05 - CLOSED o [55]ACTION-737: on - Yves Lafon - On Tuesday 4 Sept, if no objections, publish FPWD on Publishing and Linking - Due: 2012-09-06 - CLOSED o [56]ACTION-667: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Check, when publishing and linking wraps, whether it's time to reinvest in http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Regi stries.html - Due: 2012-07-15 - OPEN 9. Architecture of the World Wide Semantic Web (AWWSW): + Jonathan Rees requests 30 mins: review final report drafts and either accept them, or request additional work (of Jonathan; the task group has disbanded). + [57]ACTION-201: on - Jonathan Rees - Report on status of AWWSW discussions - Due: 2012-10-02 - OPEN 10. Governance Framework: + Larry Masinter requests brief consideration of [58]Governance and Web Architecture W3C Editor's Draft 22 September 201 11. Documenting meaning of individual IRIs (ISSUE-57): + Product page: [59]TAG Product: URI Documentation Discovery + TAG members assigned: Henry Thompson with help from Jonathan Rees & Jeni Tennison + Goals: o Decide how to discharge our obligation to the community regarding what we did with the proposals that they provided us back in the spring o Review new [60]background statement from JAR and HT (28 September 2012) ([61]snapshot) o Review "URI Usage Primer" (forthcoming) o Review "Proposal 27" (forthcoming) + Background: o [62]ACTION-704: on - Jonathan Rees - with help from Jeni and Henry to try to identify next steps for moving forward on httpRange-14 - Due: 2012-09-17 - OPEN o Jeni Tennision says she may prepare a primer ([63]e-mail) o Proposal "27" (to be supplied) o [64]background statement from JAR and HT (28 September 2012) ([65]snapshot) (required reading) 12. Offline applications: + TAG member assigned: Ashok Malhotra + Goal: o Decide whether to launch initiative on offline Web applications o If so, prepare product page with goals, success criteria and dates. o Clarify relationship to [66]ACTION-717: on - Ashok Malhotra - Propose outline for possible TAG document (finding or rec) on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. Due 2012-07-15 - Due: 2012-10-10 - OPEN + Background: o [67]ACTION-529: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule telcon discussion of a potential TAG product relating to offline applications and packaged Web - Due: 2011-02-17 - CLOSED o [68]31 March 2012 telcon discussion of Offline Web Applications (required reading) o [69]ACTION-717: on - Ashok Malhotra - Propose outline for possible TAG document (finding or rec) on architectural issues relating to storage sync, linked data, etc. Due 2012-07-15 - Due: 2012-10-10 - OPEN 13. Privacy (need to draft agenda item -- note Robin Berjon was responsible for work in this area 14. TAG effectiveness: + TAG member assigned: Noah Mendelsohn + Goals o Consider followup to [70]June Discussion of TAG Effectiveness ([71]part 1 and [72]part 2) o Review [73]Wed Architecture Objectives Matrix + Background: o [74]Objectives matrix (required reading) o [75]ACTION-726: on - Jonathan Rees - Make a list of questions to which webarch and the findings suggest answers, as input to possible 'study design' and/or communication to chairs etc. - Due: 2012-09-17 - CLOSED o Larry Masinter has suggested using the matrix for "outward facing purposes" o [76]ACTION-725 on JT - progress ? o Maybe: 10 minutes to talk about TAG issues list (this was JAR's discussion-closing suggestion at an earlier F2F, see [77]ACTION-692: on - Noah Mendelsohn - consider JAR's april request to discuss, for 10 mins, issues list at oct f2f - Due: 2012-09-10 - OPEN, perhaps mooted by objectives matrix) o [78]ACTION-709: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Talk to Jeff & W3M about TAG futures - Due: 2012-06-06 - CLOSED 15. TAG Election Procedures + Goals: o Understand concerns that have been raised about TAG election procedures (followup to [79]discussion on 26 April 2012 teleconference) o Decide what role, if any, it's appropriate for the TAG to play in addressing such concerns o If based on the above considerations it's appropriate for the TAG to get involved, investigate the merits of the concerns raised, and decide on next steps + Background: o Robin Berjon has made [80]proposals for "reforming" the TAG election process o [81]Discussion on 26 April 2012 teleconference o [82]ACTION-701: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Follow up with Robin on election reform - Due: 2012-08-01 - OPEN o [83]ACTION-702: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Follow up with Robin on election reform proposals - Due: 2012-05-03 - CLOSED o The chair (Noah) has [84]commented "...changes to the W3C process are formally the responsibility of the AB, W3C management and the AC. Normally, we don't discuss process issues on the TAG, except when they affect our ability to do our technical work [...] Obviously, changing the processes relating to the TAG itself is a special case, and I'm fine with scheduling some informal brainstorming". Larry [85]raises a similar concern. The chair then [86]wrote: "we will have a brief discussion of this on Thursday, and we will do it with the understanding that any formal work on changing the process is coordinated by the AB/Team/AC." o See also extensive e-mail thread(s) with subject [87]TAG productivity, elections, and httpRange-14 (but note that for discussion on 25 April, the chair intends to limit the scope to election reform, and not to broader questions of TAG findings, TAG effectiveness, etc.) 16. Action item review: + [88]Pending review actions in [89]Tracker + [90]Overdue actions in [91]Tracker + [92]Open actions in [93]Tracker 17. Open issue review: + This is an optional agenda item: we'll do it if there's time + Goal: review our list of [94]open issues — look especially for issues that are open but dormant decide to assign resource/close/leave as background activity. 18. Outplan: + The following are potentially worth discussing, but are not formally scheduled on the agenda: o [95]ACTION-669: on - Henry Thompson - Review http://www.w3.org/TR/qaframe-spec/#ref-define-pra ctice and see whether TAG needs to do more on references to evolving specs Due: 2012-08-01 - Due: 2013-01-01 - OPEN o polyglot (HT) o HTML extension registry (JT) o privacy (NM?) o scalability (PL) o vendor prefixes (PL) o ISSUE-50 if progress has been made (JAR, HT) # [96]ACTION-478: on - Jonathan Rees - Prepare a second draft of a finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree from Oct. 2010 F2F - Due: 2012-10-06 - OPEN # [97]ACTION-666: on - Henry Thompson - Update http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/persiste nce-2012-01-23.html to reflect agreement on 26 January telcon regarding settling at F2F - Due: 2012-09-01 - CLOSED (someone commented: Have been making progress in background on what to do with this, based on input from HT and LM, but not sure I'll have 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