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Re: [css-ruby] Tone mark of bopomofo in ruby

From: Bobby Tung <bobbytung@wanderer.tw>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 22:51:52 +0800
Cc: Xidorn Quan <quanxunzhen@gmail.com>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, www-style list <www-style@w3.org>, CJK discussion <public-i18n-cjk@w3.org>
Message-Id: <7F2569B0-47A6-4233-9140-B7A42E622BFB@wanderer.tw>
To: Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gmail.com>
Hi Koji

> When you say "make tool to generate ruby marked HTML for authors",
> what kind of tag are you trying to generate? Nested ruby?

We have made a prototype tool for generate ruby with MOEDICT API :

https://www.moedict.tw/lab/ruby/

You can input Hanzi, it will automatically get possible pronunciations from MOE's data, let authors to choose right one.

Then generate mono-ruby, not nested.

> I have no idea what the light tone marks are for and how they're used,
> so if you say it's better to change IME, Word, Pages, and all other
> software, ah...ok, it looks it's harder way to me, but that's your
> call.

I have tried several ways to find out how to let authors input Bopomofo ruby easier. Actually direct by Bopomofo IME is no a good idea. 

From Word and Pages' function then export to HTML is ok, [1] But not perfect. 

[1]: https://vimeo.com/118596187

> Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gmail.com> 於 2015年2月3日 下午10:09 寫道:
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> I recommend, instead, follow Richard's advice and invest to learn
> AFDKO to build a public domain font. I only read the documentation and
> haven't tried by myself, but building a font for second/third/fourth
> tone marks does not look too difficult to me.
> 
> 
> 
> /koji
> 
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Bobby Tung <bobbytung@wanderer.tw> wrote:
>> I guess yes. But before that, Bobby, could you answer the question Richard
>> raised in his post that, is the before placement just be a convention
>> appropriate to dictionaries and phonetic annotations, or be the way the
>> light tone ought to be handled in all cases?
>> 
>> 
>> I think it's convention to dictionaries. But since we don't have any
>> official rule, I'd like to make a deal let the light tone placed before.
>> First we make tool to generate ruby marked HTML for author, then hope IMEs
>> and word process software like Word and Pages to output in right order.
>> 
>> In my experience to deal such thing with MOE Taiwan. It's not easy to give
>> official statement but if there's any reference about Bopomofo. They will
>> review and give feedback.
>> 
>> WANDERER Bobby Tung
>> Sent from my iPhone.
>> 
>> Xidorn Quan <quanxunzhen@gmail.com> 於 2015年2月2日 上午10:14 寫道:
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, are we concluded that the reordering of the light tone marks is no
>>> longer an issue?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If light tone should be handled this way in all cases, then I think the
>> answer would definitely be yes.
>> 
>> - Xidorn
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