Re: CFC: 1.3.3/1.4.1 Errata

+1 to this CfC

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 5:37 PM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Looking at it closer. 1.3.3 is all about instructions, and limited to
> instruction, whereas 1.4.1 is a global requirement not to rely on color.
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> So yes, I agree we couldn't loose either...
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> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
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>> 1.4.1 is about not relying on color alone, and 1.3.3 is about not relying
>> on color or other sensory characteristics alone in the instructions.
>>
>> If we didn’t have 1.3.3 we wouldn’t have the other characteristics and
>> even if a button was green and square an instruction could just reference
>> it by the color or shape alone (instead of by both).
>>
>> If we didn’t have 1.4.1 then an author would be able to create hyperlinks
>> without only a color difference to distinguish them from surrounding text.
>> The sweet spot for needing both of these is for parts of a page that need
>> to be distinguished from other parts but that don’t need instructions.
>>
>> e.g.
>> - Making invalid form controls turn red without instructions – fails
>> 1.4.1 but not 1.3.3
>> - “click the red button” (the button is red and circular) - fails 1.3.3
>> and 1.4.1
>>
>> Combining them would definitely be a non-editorial change…
>>
>> Thanks,
>> AWK
>>
>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>> Adobe
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>> From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
>> Date: Friday, May 19, 2017 at 16:43
>> To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
>> Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: CFC: 1.3.3/1.4.1 Errata
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>> I'm fine with it...
>>
>> although I am wondering if 1.4.1 is redundant with 1.3.3
>>
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>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 3:21 PM, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> +1, I support this change.
>>>
>>> JF
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Call For Consensus — ends Tuesday May 23rd at 2:50pm Boston time.
>>>>
>>>> The Working Group has discussed the addition of errata for 1.3.3 and
>>>> 1.4.1 on the list (https://lists.w3.org/Archives
>>>> /Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017AprJun/0650.html
>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fw3c-wai-gl%2F2017AprJun%2F0650.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca538c811dfe04baa232508d49ef7c550%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636308234394397735&sdata=e3Lk4S2my%2B8Ts7vvQ7agJk1ZqbYBX2H%2FcQeJbVvTi9A%3D&reserved=0>)
>>>> and on the call on Thursday and the chairs believe that there is consensus
>>>> for the changes that will be reflected in the errata (
>>>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/errata
>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FWCAG20%2Ferrata&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca538c811dfe04baa232508d49ef7c550%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636308234394397735&sdata=wBIlEloac4lehhkduFkCH1bto3eGV5hQjMJ9%2ByYCNYw%3D&reserved=0>/)
>>>> as editorial errata.
>>>>
>>>> After editorial errata:
>>>>
>>>> 1.3.3 Sensory Characteristics: Instructions provided for understanding
>>>> and operating content do not rely solely on sensory characteristics of
>>>> components such as shape, *color,* size, visual location, orientation,
>>>> or sound. (Level A)  *(added “color, “)*
>>>> *(note removed)*
>>>>
>>>> 1.4.1 Use of Color: Color is not used as the only visual means of
>>>> conveying information, indicating an action, prompting a response, or
>>>> distinguishing a visual element. (Level A)
>>>> *(note removed)*
>>>>
>>>> For background:
>>>> Call minutes: https://www.w3.org/2017/05/18-ag-minutes.html#item01
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>>>>
>>>> If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have
>>>> not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not
>>>> being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know before
>>>> the CfC deadline.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> AWK
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>> Group Product Manager, Standards and Accessibility
>>>> Adobe
>>>>
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>>>> Thanks,
>>>> AWK
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>>> Adobe
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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