Re: CFC: 1.3.3/1.4.1 Errata

Looking at it closer. 1.3.3 is all about instructions, and limited to
instruction, whereas 1.4.1 is a global requirement not to rely on color.

So yes, I agree we couldn't loose either...

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On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
wrote:

> 1.4.1 is about not relying on color alone, and 1.3.3 is about not relying
> on color or other sensory characteristics alone in the instructions.
>
> If we didn’t have 1.3.3 we wouldn’t have the other characteristics and
> even if a button was green and square an instruction could just reference
> it by the color or shape alone (instead of by both).
>
> If we didn’t have 1.4.1 then an author would be able to create hyperlinks
> without only a color difference to distinguish them from surrounding text.
> The sweet spot for needing both of these is for parts of a page that need
> to be distinguished from other parts but that don’t need instructions.
>
> e.g.
> - Making invalid form controls turn red without instructions – fails 1.4.1
> but not 1.3.3
> - “click the red button” (the button is red and circular) - fails 1.3.3
> and 1.4.1
>
> Combining them would definitely be a non-editorial change…
>
> Thanks,
> AWK
>
> Andrew Kirkpatrick
> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
> Adobe
>
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>
> From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> Date: Friday, May 19, 2017 at 16:43
> To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
> Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: CFC: 1.3.3/1.4.1 Errata
>
> I'm fine with it...
>
> although I am wondering if 1.4.1 is redundant with 1.3.3
>
> Cheers,
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> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 3:21 PM, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1, I support this change.
>>
>> JF
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Call For Consensus — ends Tuesday May 23rd at 2:50pm Boston time.
>>>
>>> The Working Group has discussed the addition of errata for 1.3.3 and
>>> 1.4.1 on the list (https://lists.w3.org/Archives
>>> /Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017AprJun/0650.html
>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fw3c-wai-gl%2F2017AprJun%2F0650.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca538c811dfe04baa232508d49ef7c550%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636308234394397735&sdata=e3Lk4S2my%2B8Ts7vvQ7agJk1ZqbYBX2H%2FcQeJbVvTi9A%3D&reserved=0>)
>>> and on the call on Thursday and the chairs believe that there is consensus
>>> for the changes that will be reflected in the errata (
>>> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/errata
>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FWCAG20%2Ferrata&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca538c811dfe04baa232508d49ef7c550%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636308234394397735&sdata=wBIlEloac4lehhkduFkCH1bto3eGV5hQjMJ9%2ByYCNYw%3D&reserved=0>/)
>>> as editorial errata.
>>>
>>> After editorial errata:
>>>
>>> 1.3.3 Sensory Characteristics: Instructions provided for understanding
>>> and operating content do not rely solely on sensory characteristics of
>>> components such as shape, *color,* size, visual location, orientation,
>>> or sound. (Level A)  *(added “color, “)*
>>> *(note removed)*
>>>
>>> 1.4.1 Use of Color: Color is not used as the only visual means of
>>> conveying information, indicating an action, prompting a response, or
>>> distinguishing a visual element. (Level A)
>>> *(note removed)*
>>>
>>> For background:
>>> Call minutes: https://www.w3.org/2017/05/18-ag-minutes.html#item01
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>>>
>>> If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have
>>> not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not
>>> being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know before
>>> the CfC deadline.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> AWK
>>>
>>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>> Group Product Manager, Standards and Accessibility
>>> Adobe
>>>
>>> akirkpat@adobe.com
>>> http://twitter.com/awkawk
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>>> Thanks,
>>> AWK
>>>
>>> Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility
>>> Adobe
>>>
>>> akirkpat@adobe.com
>>> http://twitter.com/awkawk
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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