- From: John M Slatin <john_slatin@austin.utexas.edu>
- Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 12:54:04 -0600
- To: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <6EED8F7006A883459D4818686BCE3B3B034DE3AC@MAIL01.austin.utexas.edu>
More thinking aloud. Content is everything in a Web page or other primary resource, including all resources specified in the code for that Web page or other primary resource I think this avoids the trap of saying that content that is purely decorative isn't content (which would then mean we couldn't write success criteria about it). That purely decorative stuff is "Web content" whether the user finds it "informative" or not. And purely decorative content is "information," too. A while back someone (Giorgio Brajnic I think) proposed that our definition of "information" should include Gregory Bateson's definition of information as "news of difference-- the difference that makes a difference." I'm not sure he was serious, but the point is. If we think about "information" from the way the term is used in phrases like "Information Technology" (US) or "Information and Communications Technology) (Europe and elsewhere), *everything* that comes over the network is information-- some string of zeroes and ones that allows each character or pixel or whatever to be distinguished from all the other characters or pixels or whatever that come with it. At this level of abstraction, purely decorative graphics are information. The empty alt attribute furnishes *additional* information, meaningful only to AT, that enables screen readers to distinguish these purely decorative images from other images, so that the AT can act accordingly. In Bateson's terms, that empty alt attribute is "news of difference" with respect to that particular <img> element. The src attribute of the <img> element specifies a file containing a whole bunch of information-- zeroes and ones again. "Good design is accessible design." Dr. John M. Slatin, Director Accessibility Institute University of Texas at Austin FAC 248C 1 University Station G9600 Austin, TX 78712 ph 512-495-4288, fax 512-495-4524 email jslatin@mail.utexas.edu Web <http://www.ital.utexas.edu/> http://www.utexas.edu/research/accessibility -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:33 AM To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: CONTENT Here is a definition of content from an ISO standard draft 3.2 content information to be communicated to the user by means of a Web application that is presented by text, images, video or other types of media We had said earlier that content was more than just the information - that it was the presentation too. But I wonder..... The questions seem to be - If there is no information is it content? - Are pure sensory experiences content? - Are sensory experience and other non-informative parts of web pages content. - If they are not content - could we still talk about them in our guidelines on content o I think we could - because we are differentiating them from content. o We also don't require text alternatives for things that contain no information or meaning so..... - Are web applications the only way to convey this information? Is this the wrong use of that term? o Should this be user agents? - Should it be limited to media? Maybe content is 3.2 content information to be communicated to the user by means of a user agent that is presented by structure, layout, text, images, video, scripts or other components. Just thinking aloud and looking for harmonization. Gregg ------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Depts of Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison < <http://trace.wisc.edu/> http://trace.wisc.edu/> FAX 608/262-8848 For a list of our list discussions http://trace.wisc.edu/lists/ The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b <http://trace.wisc.edu:8080/mailman/listinfo/>
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