RE: Propose deleting failure for 3.2.5

I'm not proposing deleting the SC, just the common failure technique.


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Propose deleting failure for 3.2.5


I'm a bit concerned about making a decision yet. I didn't notice any responses to questions I raised http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2006JanMar/0440.html. I could live with deleting the SC if it's true that it's completely covered by timeout. But not all the techniques that map to 3.2.5 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=How_to_Meet_Success_Criterion_3.2.5 have also been mapped to a timeout SC. Those techniques have been accepted by the group. If we believe all those techniques can reasonably be mapped to something under 2.2, then I could see removing it; otherwise, I think we're being too hasty. I think it's a stretch to map some of those techniques, so at least for the moment I continue to believe we should not remove the SC.

Michael

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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Gregg Vanderheiden
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:23 PM
To: 'Cynthia Shelly'; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: Propose deleting failure for 3.2.5

OK

Seems like timeout would cover it anyway if it were a problem.


Gregg

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From: Cynthia Shelly [mailto:cyns@exchange.microsoft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 3:22 PM
To: Gregg Vanderheiden; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: Propose deleting failure for 3.2.5

You could.  But, I haven't seen this much in the real world, except in response to user action (Iike clicking a button).  As long as it's in response to user action, I don't think it's an accessibility problem.  I just don't think it's common enough to qualify as a "common" failure.

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From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 10:06 PM
To: Cynthia Shelly; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: RE: Propose deleting failure for 3.2.5

Couldn't you do it in script?  Or Flash?  Or Director?   Applets?


Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center
University of Wisconsin-Madison
The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b <http://tinyurl.com/cmfd9>


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From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Cynthia Shelly
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:05 PM
To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Subject: Propose deleting failure for 3.2.5

At least for HTML, the only ways I know of to "create a complete change of main content through an automatic refresh" are to use meta-refresh or script.  Both can be disabled in browsers.  Are there other technologies that have these issues?  If so, we could create a general technique about it.  If not, then I don't think this is a common failure for HTML, and I propose that we delete it.

http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Failure_due_to_complete_change_of_main_content_through_an_automatic_update_that_the_user_cannot_disable