- From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
- Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:43:44 -0800
- To: "Gregg Vanderheiden" <gv@trace.wisc.edu>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <53744A0A1D995C459E975F971E17F56460783D@namail4.corp.adobe.com>
That's just it, you don't lose access to the descriptions at all, you just get them out of the way a bit. Imagine that you have a lecture series available online. The professor does demonsrations that require significant description - the description must detailed enough that the student can understand what is going on in a complex visual demo, and may even be long enough to require extended audio descriptions. A student wants to review the transcripts to locate a video where the professor discussed some topic. This search will be substantially easier if the long description content is separated from the caption data, but it is still necessary for the student using the descriptions to access this information. So, the descriptions live at the bottom of the page, or on a different page, and the links to the descriptions are found inline with the caption-transcript. I'm not recommending that this be the only way to satisfy this requirement, but that it is as valid as straight intermingling of captions and descriptions in a transcript and should fit the wording of 1.1.6. Regarding David's comments: David: This particular example doesn't provide a way back to the inline link after you jump to the description. That would require a named anchor at the point of departure (in the captions) and a link back to the anchor(point of departure) after the description was read. (kind of like online footnotes) Sure. Easy enough to accomplish in several ways. It's a neat idea and though it might enhance the experience for someone who wants to ignore the descriptions, it would degrade the experience for someone who needs both captions and descriptions because they would continually be jumping back and forth every couple of lines, hitting keys (or mouse buttons) to follow the links to the descriptions and then back again to the captions. It would be pretty hard to "get into" the experience of the script that way. It would be like reading a novel while continually turning on and off the light. Part of my thinking is that this is particularly useful for description-users who are accessing the content multiple times (a course lecture series that is used as a study reference - the student may remember the description content but want to review what the professor actually says, and therefore benefits from not needing to hear the description every time). I also think it would require more effort for a web author to do this technique than just manually pasting in the descriptions in between the captions. Perhaps. If I was going to do this I would generate the files from the XML data file that contained both the aption and description info. I'm not saying that collated text transcripts must be done this way, just that we shouldn't prohibit it. Having read a ton of movie scripts in my old life, I think dialogue is easy to read with all the descriptions in between. I think the current collation idea is better, unless this example was an option to do in addition to the collated script. What's the longest description you've needed to wade through? That might be a factor... AWK ________________________________ From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:21 PM To: Andrew Kirkpatrick; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: REwrite of 1.1.6 Yes, I see what you are saying. But I'm not sure what value having the captions without the description would be? Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b <http://tinyurl.com/cmfd9> ________________________________ From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Kirkpatrick Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 5:04 PM To: Gregg Vanderheiden; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: REwrite of 1.1.6 Not everyone will want to read the descriptions intermixed with the captions. As a result, while it is fine to say that these different types of information should be mixed together, it may not create the best experience. one method that would allow users to have easy access to the descriptions within a transcript would be to link to the descriptions (the descriptions could be in the same file, or even in a separate file) instead of to include the description text directly. This way, the user could listen to the description if desired, and skipped more easily. The reason I mentioned this was that your suggested rewrite to 1.1.6 could potentially make this technique insufficient to satisfy the requirement, and I want to make sure that this would be allowed. Is that more clear? AWK ________________________________ From: Gregg Vanderheiden [mailto:gv@trace.wisc.edu] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 1:53 PM To: Andrew Kirkpatrick; w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: REwrite of 1.1.6 I don't understand this suggestion. Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b <http://tinyurl.com/cmfd9> ________________________________ From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Kirkpatrick Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 9:38 AM To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: RE: REwrite of 1.1.6 Gregg, Proposed 1.1.6 For prerecorded multimedia content, a combined document containing captions <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/appendixA.html#captionsdef> intermixed with the audio description <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/appendixA.html#audiodescdef> transcripts is available. [How to meet 1.1.6 <http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20060117/Overvi ew.html#text-equiv-text-doc> ] This sounds fine to me, but I think that we should make sure that we accept the case where a transcript includes links to audio descriptions interspersed, as an alternative to the actual description text. For example: Transcript: This is the first spoken transcript text. This is more transcript. (<a href="#desc1">description 1</a>). This is more transcript. Blah blah blah.... Descriptions: <a name="desc1" id="desc1">1. </a>This is the first description This would improve the experience for many users,and while it is untested, I'd like to make sure that it is acceptable to use. AWK
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