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Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:46:53 +0200
Cc: Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Julee AtAdobe <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, "Janet Swisher" <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
Message-Id: <A4017802-AB7A-44FF-A992-976CBF852509@opera.com>
To: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
Thanks Eliot! Any more comments? I guess we should think about putting this live and tweeting it soon.

Chris Mills
Opera Software, dev.opera.com
W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)

On 14 May 2013, at 20:04, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Minor edits incorporated
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:42 AM
>> To: Eliot Graff
>> Cc: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet Swisher;
>> public-webplatform@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables
>> 
>> Link to the blog post preview is here:
>> http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=381&preview=true
>> 
>> Chris Mills
>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical CSS3:
>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>> 
>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:28, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Corrected my contact link and removed Chris' note that it pointed to him.
>>> 
>>> Keep me posted on the blog.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Eliot
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM
>>>> To: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet
>>>> Swisher; public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>> tables
>>>> 
>>>> I've also finished the main list on the WPDW page:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday#15_May_
>>>> 2013
>>>> 
>>>> Now starting the blog post - phew!
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Mills
>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>> CSS3:
>>>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>> 
>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:06, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> oops, I just corrected the date on the page:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>>> 05-1
>>>>> 5
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cool - thanks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>> 05-
>>>> 13. Can I get someone to check it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ta!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
>>>>>>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>,
>>>>>>> Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org"
>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>>> tables
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these
>>>>>>>> properties for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat
>>>>>>>> unfinished states according to the spreadsheet
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> border-image
>>>>>>>> border-image-outset
>>>>>>>> border-image-repeat
>>>>>>>> border-image-slice
>>>>>>>> border-image-source
>>>>>>>> border-image-width
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> break-after
>>>>>>>> break-before
>>>>>>>> break-inside
>>>>>>>> flow-from
>>>>>>>> flow-into
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> font
>>>>>>>> font-family
>>>>>>>> font-feature-settings
>>>>>>>> font-size
>>>>>>>> font-size-adjust
>>>>>>>> font-style
>>>>>>>> font-variant
>>>>>>>> font-weight
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> list-style
>>>>>>>> list-style-image
>>>>>>>> list-style-position
>>>>>>>> list-style-type
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
>>>>>>>> separate pieces of work.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ok?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
>>>>>>>> "Practical
>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused
>>>>>>>>> as to what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision
>>>>>>>>> is made, shall I just choose the properties from the master
>>>>>>>>> google spreadsheet, and then fill in my choices for the week in
>>>>>>>>> a new section on
>>>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday,
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> in a new page at
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>> 05-
>>>> 15 ?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
>>>>>>>>> "Practical
>>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all
>>>>>>>>>> tables of any size in MediaWiki...).
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to
>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> the right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for
>>>>>>>>>> coordinators, and still shield the regular contributors from
>>>>>>>>>> dealing with the intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for
>>>>>>>>>> the contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator
>>>>>>>>>> tasks. The workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us
>> focus.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it
>>>>>>>>>> helped me decide what the topic areas should be for the first
>>>>>>>>>> week.)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards-
>>>>>>>>>> -Doug
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Scott:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its
>>>>>>>>>>> complexity is preventing folks from contributing. The 3
>>>>>>>>>>> different tables were created to provide simpler, more
>>>>>>>>>>> manageable views. In the wiki, these different views can only
>>>>>>>>>>> be generated by creating different tables. Maintenance, then,
>>>>>>>>>>> becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the priority or the the standards, and  the the
>>>>>>>>>>> master doesn't have notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild
>>>>>>>>>>> the master list from the weekly tables.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the
>>>>>>>>>>> master table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then
>>>>>>>>>>> from the weekly tables, we could simply concatenate them into
>>>>>>>>>>> a master
>>>> "finished"
>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep
>>>>>>>>>>> pointer to the spec (as that information would be on the page).
>>>>>>>>>>> That would mean the only difference between the master and
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> weekly would be the priority < which is something we might
>>>>>>>>>>> need a record of.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly
>>>>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>>>>> list?*
>>>>>>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which
>>>>>>>>>>> is the concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the
>>>> "finished"
>>>>>>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be lost.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the
>>>>>>>>>>> master to weekly page
>>>>>>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and
>>>>>>>>>>> notes
>>>>>>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the
>>>>>>>>>>> line items from the weekly page to the "finished" table
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
>>>> Janet
>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>> webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>> webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>>>> three tables
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Julee,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-
>>>> 89PKiZpdE0xdm9
>>>>>>>>>>> Sb1ZvRW
>>>>>>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are
>>>>>>>>>>> okay, not a problem to work with. But the larger, "master_list"
>>>>>>>>>>> is so large that working with it in wiki is very difficult.
>>>>>>>>>>> That's why I recommend using the original spreadsheet to track
>>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/201
>>>>>>>>>>> 3-05-08
>>>>>>>>>>> #Border_color_properties
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Julee
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
>>>> Janet
>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>> webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>> webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>>>> three tables
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for
>>>>>>>>>>> coordinators here by eliminating the last "master_list" table.
>>>>>>>>>>> This table is nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We
>>>>>>>>>>> already have a spreadsheet that is far easier to work with,
>>>>>>>>>>> and I'd suggest we stick with it.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
>>>>>>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time
>>>>>>>>>>> right now to work on that.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date
>>>>>>>>>>> with my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant
>>>> "master_list"
>>>>>>>>>>> table in the wiki.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi, WPDW coordinators:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Please remember to:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
>>>>>>>>>>> marks
>>>>>>>>>>>  * update this week's page [2] with status
>>>>>>>>>>>  * update master list [3] when things are done
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  Julee
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>  [1]
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
>>>>>>>>>>>  [2]
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>> 05-
>>>> 08
>>>>>>>>>>>  [3]
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/mas
>>>>>>>>>>> ter_lis
>>>>>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>>>>  ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>  julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>  @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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