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Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

From: Julee <julee@adobe.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:53:30 -0700
To: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
CC: Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
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Looks good! J


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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:46 AM
To: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
Cc: julee <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee
<julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher
<jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org"
<public-webplatform@w3.org>
Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

>Thanks Eliot! Any more comments? I guess we should think about putting
>this live and tweeting it soon.
>
>Chris Mills
>Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>
>On 14 May 2013, at 20:04, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> Minor edits incorporated
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:42 AM
>>> To: Eliot Graff
>>> Cc: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet
>>>Swisher;
>>> public-webplatform@w3.org
>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>tables
>>>
>>> Link to the blog post preview is here:
>>> http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=381&preview=true
>>>
>>> Chris Mills
>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>CSS3:
>>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>
>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:28, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Corrected my contact link and removed Chris' note that it pointed to
>>>>him.
>>>>
>>>> Keep me posted on the blog.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Eliot
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM
>>>>> To: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet
>>>>> Swisher; public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>> tables
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also finished the main list on the WPDW page:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday#15_May_
>>>>> 2013
>>>>>
>>>>> Now starting the blog post - phew!
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>> CSS3:
>>>>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:06, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> oops, I just corrected the date on the page:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>>>> 05-1
>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cool - thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>> 05-
>>>>> 13. Can I get someone to check it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ta!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>,
>>>>>>>> Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org"
>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>>>> tables
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these
>>>>>>>>> properties for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat
>>>>>>>>> unfinished states according to the spreadsheet
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> border-image
>>>>>>>>> border-image-outset
>>>>>>>>> border-image-repeat
>>>>>>>>> border-image-slice
>>>>>>>>> border-image-source
>>>>>>>>> border-image-width
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> break-after
>>>>>>>>> break-before
>>>>>>>>> break-inside
>>>>>>>>> flow-from
>>>>>>>>> flow-into
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> font
>>>>>>>>> font-family
>>>>>>>>> font-feature-settings
>>>>>>>>> font-size
>>>>>>>>> font-size-adjust
>>>>>>>>> font-style
>>>>>>>>> font-variant
>>>>>>>>> font-weight
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> list-style
>>>>>>>>> list-style-image
>>>>>>>>> list-style-position
>>>>>>>>> list-style-type
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
>>>>>>>>> separate pieces of work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ok?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
>>>>>>>>> "Practical
>>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused
>>>>>>>>>> as to what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision
>>>>>>>>>> is made, shall I just choose the properties from the master
>>>>>>>>>> google spreadsheet, and then fill in my choices for the week in
>>>>>>>>>> a new section on
>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday,
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> in a new page at
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>> 05-
>>>>> 15 ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
>>>>>>>>>> "Practical
>>>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all
>>>>>>>>>>> tables of any size in MediaWiki...).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> the right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for
>>>>>>>>>>> coordinators, and still shield the regular contributors from
>>>>>>>>>>> dealing with the intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for
>>>>>>>>>>> the contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. The workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us
>>> focus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it
>>>>>>>>>>> helped me decide what the topic areas should be for the first
>>>>>>>>>>> week.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards-
>>>>>>>>>>> -Doug
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Scott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its
>>>>>>>>>>>> complexity is preventing folks from contributing. The 3
>>>>>>>>>>>> different tables were created to provide simpler, more
>>>>>>>>>>>> manageable views. In the wiki, these different views can only
>>>>>>>>>>>> be generated by creating different tables. Maintenance, then,
>>>>>>>>>>>> becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the priority or the the standards, and  the the
>>>>>>>>>>>> master doesn't have notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild
>>>>>>>>>>>> the master list from the weekly tables.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> master table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the weekly tables, we could simply concatenate them into
>>>>>>>>>>>> a master
>>>>> "finished"
>>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>> pointer to the spec (as that information would be on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>page).
>>>>>>>>>>>> That would mean the only difference between the master and
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> weekly would be the priority < which is something we might
>>>>>>>>>>>> need a record of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly
>>>>>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>>>>>> list?*
>>>>>>>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the
>>>>> "finished"
>>>>>>>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> master to weekly page
>>>>>>>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and
>>>>>>>>>>>> notes
>>>>>>>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the
>>>>>>>>>>>> line items from the weekly page to the "finished" table
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>>>>> three tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Julee,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-
>>>>> 89PKiZpdE0xdm9
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sb1ZvRW
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are
>>>>>>>>>>>> okay, not a problem to work with. But the larger,
>>>>>>>>>>>>"master_list"
>>>>>>>>>>>> is so large that working with it in wiki is very difficult.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why I recommend using the original spreadsheet to track
>>>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/201
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3-05-08
>>>>>>>>>>>> #Border_color_properties
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Julee
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>>>>> three tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for
>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinators here by eliminating the last "master_list" table.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This table is nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We
>>>>>>>>>>>> already have a spreadsheet that is far easier to work with,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I'd suggest we stick with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
>>>>>>>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time
>>>>>>>>>>>> right now to work on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date
>>>>>>>>>>>> with my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant
>>>>> "master_list"
>>>>>>>>>>>> table in the wiki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi, WPDW coordinators:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Please remember to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
>>>>>>>>>>>> marks
>>>>>>>>>>>>  * update this week's page [2] with status
>>>>>>>>>>>>  * update master list [3] when things are done
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Julee
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  [1]
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
>>>>>>>>>>>>  [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>> 05-
>>>>> 08
>>>>>>>>>>>>  [3]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/mas
>>>>>>>>>>>> ter_lis
>>>>>>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>>>>>  ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>  julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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