RE: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

Minor edits incorporated

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:42 AM
> To: Eliot Graff
> Cc: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet Swisher;
> public-webplatform@w3.org
> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables
> 
> Link to the blog post preview is here:
> http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=381&preview=true
> 
> Chris Mills
> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical CSS3:
> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> 
> On 14 May 2013, at 19:28, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com> wrote:
> 
> > Corrected my contact link and removed Chris' note that it pointed to him.
> >
> > Keep me posted on the blog.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Eliot
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM
> >> To: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet
> >> Swisher; public-webplatform@w3.org
> >> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
> >> tables
> >>
> >> I've also finished the main list on the WPDW page:
> >>
> >>
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday#15_May_
> >> 2013
> >>
> >> Now starting the blog post - phew!
> >>
> >> Chris Mills
> >> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> >> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
> CSS3:
> >> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> >>
> >> On 14 May 2013, at 19:06, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> oops, I just corrected the date on the page:
> >>>
> >>>
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
> >> 05-1
> >>> 5
> >>>
> >>> Chris Mills
> >>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> >>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
> >>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> >>>
> >>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Cool - thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see
> >> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
> 05-
> >> 13. Can I get someone to check it?
> >>>>
> >>>> ta!
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris Mills
> >>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> >>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
> >>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> >>>>
> >>>> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----------------------------
> >>>>> julee@adobe.com
> >>>>> @adobejulee
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
> >>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
> >>>>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>,
> >>>>> Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher
> >>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org"
> >>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
> >>>>> tables
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these
> >>>>>> properties for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat
> >>>>>> unfinished states according to the spreadsheet
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> border-image
> >>>>>> border-image-outset
> >>>>>> border-image-repeat
> >>>>>> border-image-slice
> >>>>>> border-image-source
> >>>>>> border-image-width
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> break-after
> >>>>>> break-before
> >>>>>> break-inside
> >>>>>> flow-from
> >>>>>> flow-into
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> font
> >>>>>> font-family
> >>>>>> font-feature-settings
> >>>>>> font-size
> >>>>>> font-size-adjust
> >>>>>> font-style
> >>>>>> font-variant
> >>>>>> font-weight
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> list-style
> >>>>>> list-style-image
> >>>>>> list-style-position
> >>>>>> list-style-type
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
> >>>>>> separate pieces of work.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ok?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chris Mills
> >>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> >>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
> >>>>>> "Practical
> >>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused
> >>>>>>> as to what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision
> >>>>>>> is made, shall I just choose the properties from the master
> >>>>>>> google spreadsheet, and then fill in my choices for the week in
> >>>>>>> a new section on
> >>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday,
> >> and
> >>>>>>> in a new page at
> >>>>>>>
> >> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
> 05-
> >> 15 ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chris Mills
> >>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> >>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
> >>>>>>> "Practical
> >>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all
> >>>>>>>> tables of any size in MediaWiki...).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to
> >> have
> >>>>>>>> the right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for
> >>>>>>>> coordinators, and still shield the regular contributors from
> >>>>>>>> dealing with the intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for
> >>>>>>>> the contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator
> >>>>>>>> tasks. The workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us
> focus.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it
> >>>>>>>> helped me decide what the topic areas should be for the first
> >>>>>>>> week.)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards-
> >>>>>>>> -Doug
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hi, Scott:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It
> >>>>>>>>> doesn't have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its
> >>>>>>>>> complexity is preventing folks from contributing. The 3
> >>>>>>>>> different tables were created to provide simpler, more
> >>>>>>>>> manageable views. In the wiki, these different views can only
> >>>>>>>>> be generated by creating different tables. Maintenance, then,
> >>>>>>>>> becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
> >>>>>>>>> doesn't have the priority or the the standards, and  the the
> >>>>>>>>> master doesn't have notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild
> >>>>>>>>> the master list from the weekly tables.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the
> >>>>>>>>> master table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then
> >>>>>>>>> from the weekly tables, we could simply concatenate them into
> >>>>>>>>> a master
> >> "finished"
> >>>>>>>>> list.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep
> >>>>>>>>> pointer to the spec (as that information would be on the page).
> >>>>>>>>> That would mean the only difference between the master and
> the
> >>>>>>>>> weekly would be the priority < which is something we might
> >>>>>>>>> need a record of.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly
> >>>>>>>>> check
> >>>>>>>>> list?*
> >>>>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which
> >>>>>>>>> is the concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the
> >> "finished"
> >>>>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be lost.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the
> >>>>>>>>> master to weekly page
> >>>>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and
> >>>>>>>>> notes
> >>>>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the
> >>>>>>>>> line items from the weekly page to the "finished" table
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> J
> >>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
> >>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
> >>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
> >> Janet
> >>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
> >>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
> >> webplatform@w3.org>"
> >>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
> >> webplatform@w3.org>>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
> >>>>>>>>> three tables
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Julee,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-
> >> 89PKiZpdE0xdm9
> >>>>>>>>> Sb1ZvRW
> >>>>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are
> >>>>>>>>> okay, not a problem to work with. But the larger, "master_list"
> >>>>>>>>> is so large that working with it in wiki is very difficult.
> >>>>>>>>> That's why I recommend using the original spreadsheet to track
> >>>>>>>>> results.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ~Scott
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/201
> >>>>>>>>> 3-05-08
> >>>>>>>>> #Border_color_properties
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Julee
> >>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
> >>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com> @adobejulee
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
> >>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
> >> Janet
> >>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
> >>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
> >> webplatform@w3.org>"
> >>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
> >> webplatform@w3.org>>
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
> >>>>>>>>> three tables
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Folks,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for
> >>>>>>>>> coordinators here by eliminating the last "master_list" table.
> >>>>>>>>> This table is nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We
> >>>>>>>>> already have a spreadsheet that is far easier to work with,
> >>>>>>>>> and I'd suggest we stick with it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
> >>>>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time
> >>>>>>>>> right now to work on that.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date
> >>>>>>>>> with my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant
> >> "master_list"
> >>>>>>>>> table in the wiki.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ~Scott
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   Hi, WPDW coordinators:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   Please remember to:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
> >>>>>>>>> marks
> >>>>>>>>>   * update this week's page [2] with status
> >>>>>>>>>   * update master list [3] when things are done
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   Julee
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>   [1]
> >> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
> >>>>>>>>>   [2]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
> 05-
> >> 08
> >>>>>>>>>   [3]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/mas
> >>>>>>>>> ter_lis
> >>>>>>>>> t
> >>>>>>>>>   ----------------------------
> >>>>>>>>>   julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
> >>>>>>>>>   @adobejulee
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> 
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