RE: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

Corrected my contact link and removed Chris' note that it pointed to him.

Keep me posted on the blog.

Thanks,

Eliot

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM
> To: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet
> Swisher; public-webplatform@w3.org
> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables
> 
> I've also finished the main list on the WPDW page:
> 
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday#15_May_
> 2013
> 
> Now starting the blog post - phew!
> 
> Chris Mills
> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical CSS3:
> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> 
> On 14 May 2013, at 19:06, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
> 
> > oops, I just corrected the date on the page:
> >
> > http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
> 05-1
> > 5
> >
> > Chris Mills
> > Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> > W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
> > CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> >
> > On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Cool - thanks!
> >>
> >> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-
> 13. Can I get someone to check it?
> >>
> >> ta!
> >>
> >> Chris Mills
> >> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> >> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
> >> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> >>
> >> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------
> >>> julee@adobe.com
> >>> @adobejulee
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
> >>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
> >>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>, Scott
> >>> Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>,
> >>> "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
> >>> tables
> >>>
> >>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these
> >>>> properties for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat
> >>>> unfinished states according to the spreadsheet
> >>>>
> >>>> border-image
> >>>> border-image-outset
> >>>> border-image-repeat
> >>>> border-image-slice
> >>>> border-image-source
> >>>> border-image-width
> >>>>
> >>>> break-after
> >>>> break-before
> >>>> break-inside
> >>>> flow-from
> >>>> flow-into
> >>>>
> >>>> font
> >>>> font-family
> >>>> font-feature-settings
> >>>> font-size
> >>>> font-size-adjust
> >>>> font-style
> >>>> font-variant
> >>>> font-weight
> >>>>
> >>>> list-style
> >>>> list-style-image
> >>>> list-style-position
> >>>> list-style-type
> >>>>
> >>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
> >>>> separate pieces of work.
> >>>>
> >>>> ok?
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris Mills
> >>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> >>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
> >>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> >>>>
> >>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused as
> >>>>> to what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision is
> >>>>> made, shall I just choose the properties from the master google
> >>>>> spreadsheet, and then fill in my choices for the week in a new
> >>>>> section on
> >>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday,
> and
> >>>>> in a new page at
> >>>>>
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-
> 15 ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris Mills
> >>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> >>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
> >>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all
> >>>>>> tables of any size in MediaWiki...).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to
> have
> >>>>>> the right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for coordinators,
> >>>>>> and still shield the regular contributors from dealing with the
> >>>>>> intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for the
> >>>>>> contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator
> >>>>>> tasks. The workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us focus.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it
> >>>>>> helped me decide what the topic areas should be for the first
> >>>>>> week.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards-
> >>>>>> -Doug
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi, Scott:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It
> >>>>>>> doesn't have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its
> >>>>>>> complexity is preventing folks from contributing. The 3
> >>>>>>> different tables were created to provide simpler, more
> >>>>>>> manageable views. In the wiki, these different views can only be
> >>>>>>> generated by creating different tables. Maintenance, then,
> >>>>>>> becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
> >>>>>>> doesn't have the priority or the the standards, and  the the
> >>>>>>> master doesn't have notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild the
> >>>>>>> master list from the weekly tables.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the
> >>>>>>> master table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then from
> >>>>>>> the weekly tables, we could simply concatenate them into a master
> "finished"
> >>>>>>> list.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep
> >>>>>>> pointer to the spec (as that information would be on the page).
> >>>>>>> That would mean the only difference between the master and the
> >>>>>>> weekly would be the priority < which is something we might need
> >>>>>>> a record of.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly check
> >>>>>>> list?*
> >>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which
> >>>>>>> is the concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the
> "finished"
> >>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be lost.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the
> >>>>>>> master to weekly page
> >>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and
> >>>>>>> notes
> >>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the line
> >>>>>>> items from the weekly page to the "finished" table
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> J
> >>>>>>> ----------------------------
> >>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
> >>>>>>> @adobejulee
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
> >>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
> >>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
> >>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
> >>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
> Janet
> >>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
> >>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
> webplatform@w3.org>"
> >>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
> webplatform@w3.org>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
> >>>>>>> three tables
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Julee,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-
> 89PKiZpdE0xdm9
> >>>>>>> Sb1ZvRW
> >>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are
> >>>>>>> okay, not a problem to work with. But the larger, "master_list"
> >>>>>>> is so large that working with it in wiki is very difficult.
> >>>>>>> That's why I recommend using the original spreadsheet to track
> >>>>>>> results.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ~Scott
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/201
> >>>>>>> 3-05-08
> >>>>>>> #Border_color_properties
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Julee
> >>>>>>> ----------------------------
> >>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com> @adobejulee
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
> >>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
> >>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
> >>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
> >>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
> Janet
> >>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
> >>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
> webplatform@w3.org>"
> >>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
> webplatform@w3.org>>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
> >>>>>>> three tables
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Folks,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for
> >>>>>>> coordinators here by eliminating the last "master_list" table.
> >>>>>>> This table is nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We
> >>>>>>> already have a spreadsheet that is far easier to work with, and
> >>>>>>> I'd suggest we stick with it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
> >>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time right
> >>>>>>> now to work on that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date
> >>>>>>> with my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant
> "master_list"
> >>>>>>> table in the wiki.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ~Scott
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
> >>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    Hi, WPDW coordinators:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    Please remember to:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
> >>>>>>> marks
> >>>>>>>    * update this week's page [2] with status
> >>>>>>>    * update master list [3] when things are done
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    Thanks!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    Julee
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>    [1]
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
> >>>>>>>    [2]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-
> 08
> >>>>>>>    [3]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/mas
> >>>>>>> ter_lis
> >>>>>>> t
> >>>>>>>    ----------------------------
> >>>>>>>    julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
> >>>>>>>    @adobejulee
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
>

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