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Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

From: Julee <julee@adobe.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 10:26:03 -0700
To: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
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Looking good. Go, Chris! J


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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:22 AM
To: julee <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee
<julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher
<jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org"
<public-webplatform@w3.org>
Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

>I've also finished the main list on the WPDW page:
>
>http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday#15_May_2013
>
>Now starting the blog post - phew!
>
>Chris Mills
>Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>
>On 14 May 2013, at 19:06, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> oops, I just corrected the date on the page:
>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-15
>> 
>> Chris Mills
>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>> 
>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Cool - thanks!
>>> 
>>> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see
>>>http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-13.
>>> Can I get someone to check it?
>>> 
>>> ta!
>>> 
>>> Chris Mills
>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>> 
>>> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------
>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>> @adobejulee
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
>>>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>, Scott
>>>>Rowe
>>>> <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>,
>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>tables
>>>> 
>>>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these
>>>>>properties
>>>>> for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat unfinished
>>>>>states
>>>>> according to the spreadsheet
>>>>> 
>>>>> border-image
>>>>> border-image-outset
>>>>> border-image-repeat
>>>>> border-image-slice
>>>>> border-image-source
>>>>> border-image-width
>>>>> 
>>>>> break-after
>>>>> break-before
>>>>> break-inside
>>>>> flow-from
>>>>> flow-into
>>>>> 
>>>>> font
>>>>> font-family
>>>>> font-feature-settings
>>>>> font-size
>>>>> font-size-adjust
>>>>> font-style
>>>>> font-variant
>>>>> font-weight
>>>>> 
>>>>> list-style
>>>>> list-style-image
>>>>> list-style-position
>>>>> list-style-type
>>>>> 
>>>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
>>>>> separate pieces of work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ok?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused as
>>>>>>to
>>>>>> what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision is made,
>>>>>> shall I just choose the properties from the master google
>>>>>>spreadsheet,
>>>>>> and then fill in my choices for the week in a new section on
>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday, and
>>>>>>in a
>>>>>> new page at 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-
>>>>>>15 ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>>>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all
>>>>>>>tables
>>>>>>> of any size in MediaWiki...).
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to have
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>> right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for coordinators,
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>> still shield the regular contributors from dealing with the
>>>>>>> intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for the
>>>>>>> contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator tasks.
>>>>>>>The
>>>>>>> workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us focus.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it
>>>>>>>helped me
>>>>>>> decide what the topic areas should be for the first week.)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards-
>>>>>>> -Doug
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi, Scott:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It
>>>>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>>>> have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its complexity is
>>>>>>>> preventing folks from contributing. The 3 different tables were
>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>> to provide simpler, more manageable views. In the wiki, these
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> views can only be generated by creating different tables.
>>>>>>>>Maintenance,
>>>>>>>> then, becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> have the priority or the the standards, and  the the master
>>>>>>>>doesn't
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild the master list from the
>>>>>>>> weekly
>>>>>>>> tables.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the
>>>>>>>>master
>>>>>>>> table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then from the
>>>>>>>>weekly
>>>>>>>> tables, we could simply concatenate them into a master "finished"
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep
>>>>>>>>pointer to
>>>>>>>> the spec (as that information would be on the page). That would
>>>>>>>>mean
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> only difference between the master and the weekly would be the
>>>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>>> ‹ which is something we might need a record of.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly check
>>>>>>>> list?*
>>>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which is
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>> concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the "finished"
>>>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be lost.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the
>>>>>>>>master to
>>>>>>>> weekly page
>>>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and notes
>>>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the line
>>>>>>>>items
>>>>>>>> from the weekly page to the "finished" table
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>><mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, Doug
>>>>>>>> Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>>>> tables
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Julee,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-89PKiZpdE0xdm9Sb1
>>>>>>>>ZvRW
>>>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are
>>>>>>>>okay,
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> a problem to work with. But the larger, "master_list" is so large
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>> working with it in wiki is very difficult. That's why I recommend
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> the original spreadsheet to track results.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-0
>>>>>>>>5-08
>>>>>>>> #Border_color_properties
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Julee
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, Doug
>>>>>>>> Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>>>> tables
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for coordinators
>>>>>>>> here by eliminating the last "master_list" table. This table is
>>>>>>>> nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We already have a
>>>>>>>> spreadsheet that is far easier to work with, and I'd suggest we
>>>>>>>> stick with it.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
>>>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time right
>>>>>>>>now
>>>>>>>> to work on that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>> my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant "master_list"
>>>>>>>> table in the wiki.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    Hi, WPDW coordinators:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    Please remember to:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
>>>>>>>> marks
>>>>>>>>    * update this week's page [2] with status
>>>>>>>>    * update master list [3] when things are done
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    Thanks!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    Julee
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    [1] 
>>>>>>>>http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
>>>>>>>>    [2]
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-0
>>>>>>>>5-08
>>>>>>>>    [3]
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/master
>>>>>>>>_lis
>>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>    ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>    julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>>>>    @adobejulee
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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