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Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:41:42 +0200
Cc: Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Julee AtAdobe <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>, public-webplatform@w3.org
Message-Id: <5D59C00C-1B34-438B-AA9D-3C62CA4DB5C6@opera.com>
To: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
Link to the blog post preview is here: http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=381&preview=true

Chris Mills
Opera Software, dev.opera.com
W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)

On 14 May 2013, at 19:28, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Corrected my contact link and removed Chris' note that it pointed to him.
> 
> Keep me posted on the blog.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Eliot
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM
>> To: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet
>> Swisher; public-webplatform@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables
>> 
>> I've also finished the main list on the WPDW page:
>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday#15_May_
>> 2013
>> 
>> Now starting the blog post - phew!
>> 
>> Chris Mills
>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical CSS3:
>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>> 
>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:06, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> oops, I just corrected the date on the page:
>>> 
>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>> 05-1
>>> 5
>>> 
>>> Chris Mills
>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>> 
>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Cool - thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-
>> 13. Can I get someone to check it?
>>>> 
>>>> ta!
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Mills
>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>> 
>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
>>>>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>, Scott
>>>>> Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>,
>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>> tables
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these
>>>>>> properties for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat
>>>>>> unfinished states according to the spreadsheet
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> border-image
>>>>>> border-image-outset
>>>>>> border-image-repeat
>>>>>> border-image-slice
>>>>>> border-image-source
>>>>>> border-image-width
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> break-after
>>>>>> break-before
>>>>>> break-inside
>>>>>> flow-from
>>>>>> flow-into
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> font
>>>>>> font-family
>>>>>> font-feature-settings
>>>>>> font-size
>>>>>> font-size-adjust
>>>>>> font-style
>>>>>> font-variant
>>>>>> font-weight
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> list-style
>>>>>> list-style-image
>>>>>> list-style-position
>>>>>> list-style-type
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
>>>>>> separate pieces of work.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ok?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused as
>>>>>>> to what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision is
>>>>>>> made, shall I just choose the properties from the master google
>>>>>>> spreadsheet, and then fill in my choices for the week in a new
>>>>>>> section on
>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday,
>> and
>>>>>>> in a new page at
>>>>>>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-
>> 15 ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all
>>>>>>>> tables of any size in MediaWiki...).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to
>> have
>>>>>>>> the right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for coordinators,
>>>>>>>> and still shield the regular contributors from dealing with the
>>>>>>>> intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for the
>>>>>>>> contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator
>>>>>>>> tasks. The workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us focus.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it
>>>>>>>> helped me decide what the topic areas should be for the first
>>>>>>>> week.)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards-
>>>>>>>> -Doug
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi, Scott:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It
>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its
>>>>>>>>> complexity is preventing folks from contributing. The 3
>>>>>>>>> different tables were created to provide simpler, more
>>>>>>>>> manageable views. In the wiki, these different views can only be
>>>>>>>>> generated by creating different tables. Maintenance, then,
>>>>>>>>> becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the priority or the the standards, and  the the
>>>>>>>>> master doesn't have notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild the
>>>>>>>>> master list from the weekly tables.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the
>>>>>>>>> master table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then from
>>>>>>>>> the weekly tables, we could simply concatenate them into a master
>> "finished"
>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep
>>>>>>>>> pointer to the spec (as that information would be on the page).
>>>>>>>>> That would mean the only difference between the master and the
>>>>>>>>> weekly would be the priority < which is something we might need
>>>>>>>>> a record of.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly check
>>>>>>>>> list?*
>>>>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which
>>>>>>>>> is the concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the
>> "finished"
>>>>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be lost.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the
>>>>>>>>> master to weekly page
>>>>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and
>>>>>>>>> notes
>>>>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the line
>>>>>>>>> items from the weekly page to the "finished" table
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
>> Janet
>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>> webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>> webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>> three tables
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Julee,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-
>> 89PKiZpdE0xdm9
>>>>>>>>> Sb1ZvRW
>>>>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are
>>>>>>>>> okay, not a problem to work with. But the larger, "master_list"
>>>>>>>>> is so large that working with it in wiki is very difficult.
>>>>>>>>> That's why I recommend using the original spreadsheet to track
>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/201
>>>>>>>>> 3-05-08
>>>>>>>>> #Border_color_properties
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Julee
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
>> Janet
>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>> webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>> webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>> three tables
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for
>>>>>>>>> coordinators here by eliminating the last "master_list" table.
>>>>>>>>> This table is nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We
>>>>>>>>> already have a spreadsheet that is far easier to work with, and
>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest we stick with it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
>>>>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time right
>>>>>>>>> now to work on that.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date
>>>>>>>>> with my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant
>> "master_list"
>>>>>>>>> table in the wiki.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   Hi, WPDW coordinators:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   Please remember to:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
>>>>>>>>> marks
>>>>>>>>>   * update this week's page [2] with status
>>>>>>>>>   * update master list [3] when things are done
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   Thanks!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   Julee
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   [1]
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
>>>>>>>>>   [2]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-
>> 08
>>>>>>>>>   [3]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/mas
>>>>>>>>> ter_lis
>>>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>>   ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>   julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>>>>>   @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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