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Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:22:50 +0200
Message-Id: <8F1091B5-5E25-4E57-ADE9-3FB0043242A7@opera.com>
To: Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Julee AtAdobe <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
I've also finished the main list on the WPDW page:

http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday#15_May_2013

Now starting the blog post - phew!

Chris Mills
Opera Software, dev.opera.com
W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)

On 14 May 2013, at 19:06, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:

> oops, I just corrected the date on the page:
> 
> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-15
> 
> Chris Mills
> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> 
> On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
> 
>> Cool - thanks!
>> 
>> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-13. Can I get someone to check it?
>> 
>> ta!
>> 
>> Chris Mills
>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>> 
>> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------
>>> julee@adobe.com
>>> @adobejulee
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
>>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe
>>> <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>,
>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables
>>> 
>>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these properties
>>>> for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat unfinished states
>>>> according to the spreadsheet
>>>> 
>>>> border-image
>>>> border-image-outset
>>>> border-image-repeat
>>>> border-image-slice
>>>> border-image-source
>>>> border-image-width
>>>> 
>>>> break-after
>>>> break-before
>>>> break-inside
>>>> flow-from
>>>> flow-into
>>>> 
>>>> font
>>>> font-family
>>>> font-feature-settings
>>>> font-size
>>>> font-size-adjust
>>>> font-style
>>>> font-variant
>>>> font-weight
>>>> 
>>>> list-style
>>>> list-style-image
>>>> list-style-position
>>>> list-style-type
>>>> 
>>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
>>>> separate pieces of work.
>>>> 
>>>> ok?
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Mills
>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>> 
>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused as to
>>>>> what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision is made,
>>>>> shall I just choose the properties from the master google spreadsheet,
>>>>> and then fill in my choices for the week in a new section on
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday, and in a
>>>>> new page at 
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-15 ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all tables
>>>>>> of any size in MediaWiki...).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to have the
>>>>>> right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for coordinators, and
>>>>>> still shield the regular contributors from dealing with the
>>>>>> intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for the
>>>>>> contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator tasks. The
>>>>>> workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us focus.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it helped me
>>>>>> decide what the topic areas should be for the first week.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards-
>>>>>> -Doug
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi, Scott:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It doesn't
>>>>>>> have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its complexity is
>>>>>>> preventing folks from contributing. The 3 different tables were
>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>> to provide simpler, more manageable views. In the wiki, these
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> views can only be generated by creating different tables. Maintenance,
>>>>>>> then, becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> have the priority or the the standards, and  the the master doesn't
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild the master list from the
>>>>>>> weekly
>>>>>>> tables.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the master
>>>>>>> table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then from the weekly
>>>>>>> tables, we could simply concatenate them into a master "finished"
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep pointer to
>>>>>>> the spec (as that information would be on the page). That would mean
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> only difference between the master and the weekly would be the
>>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>>  which is something we might need a record of.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly check
>>>>>>> list?*
>>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which is the
>>>>>>> concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the "finished"
>>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be lost.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the master to
>>>>>>> weekly page
>>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and notes
>>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the line items
>>>>>>> from the weekly page to the "finished" table
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, Doug
>>>>>>> Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>>> tables
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Julee,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-89PKiZpdE0xdm9Sb1ZvRW
>>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are okay,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> a problem to work with. But the larger, "master_list" is so large that
>>>>>>> working with it in wiki is very difficult. That's why I recommend
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> the original spreadsheet to track results.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-08
>>>>>>> #Border_color_properties
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Julee
>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, Doug
>>>>>>> Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>>> tables
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for coordinators
>>>>>>> here by eliminating the last "master_list" table. This table is
>>>>>>> nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We already have a
>>>>>>> spreadsheet that is far easier to work with, and I'd suggest we
>>>>>>> stick with it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
>>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time right now
>>>>>>> to work on that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date with
>>>>>>> my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant "master_list"
>>>>>>> table in the wiki.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Hi, WPDW coordinators:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Please remember to:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
>>>>>>> marks
>>>>>>>    * update this week's page [2] with status
>>>>>>>    * update master list [3] when things are done
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Thanks!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    Julee
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>    [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
>>>>>>>    [2]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-08
>>>>>>>    [3]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/master_lis
>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>    ----------------------------
>>>>>>>    julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>>>    @adobejulee
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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