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Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:06:37 +0200
Cc: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Julee AtAdobe <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>, public-webplatform@w3.org
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To: Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>
oops, I just corrected the date on the page:

http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-15

Chris Mills
Opera Software, dev.opera.com
W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)

On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:

> Cool - thanks!
> 
> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-13. Can I get someone to check it?
> 
> ta!
> 
> Chris Mills
> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
> 
> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------
>> julee@adobe.com
>> @adobejulee
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe
>> <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>,
>> "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables
>> 
>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these properties
>>> for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat unfinished states
>>> according to the spreadsheet
>>> 
>>> border-image
>>> border-image-outset
>>> border-image-repeat
>>> border-image-slice
>>> border-image-source
>>> border-image-width
>>> 
>>> break-after
>>> break-before
>>> break-inside
>>> flow-from
>>> flow-into
>>> 
>>> font
>>> font-family
>>> font-feature-settings
>>> font-size
>>> font-size-adjust
>>> font-style
>>> font-variant
>>> font-weight
>>> 
>>> list-style
>>> list-style-image
>>> list-style-position
>>> list-style-type
>>> 
>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
>>> separate pieces of work.
>>> 
>>> ok?
>>> 
>>> Chris Mills
>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>> 
>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused as to
>>>> what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision is made,
>>>> shall I just choose the properties from the master google spreadsheet,
>>>> and then fill in my choices for the week in a new section on
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday, and in a
>>>> new page at 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-15 ?
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Mills
>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>> 
>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all tables
>>>>> of any size in MediaWiki...).
>>>>> 
>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to have the
>>>>> right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
>>>>> 
>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for coordinators, and
>>>>> still shield the regular contributors from dealing with the
>>>>> intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for the
>>>>> contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator tasks. The
>>>>> workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us focus.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it helped me
>>>>> decide what the topic areas should be for the first week.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards-
>>>>> -Doug
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, Scott:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It doesn't
>>>>>> have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its complexity is
>>>>>> preventing folks from contributing. The 3 different tables were
>>>>>> created
>>>>>> to provide simpler, more manageable views. In the wiki, these
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> views can only be generated by creating different tables. Maintenance,
>>>>>> then, becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> have the priority or the the standards, and  the the master doesn't
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild the master list from the
>>>>>> weekly
>>>>>> tables.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the master
>>>>>> table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then from the weekly
>>>>>> tables, we could simply concatenate them into a master "finished"
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep pointer to
>>>>>> the spec (as that information would be on the page). That would mean
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> only difference between the master and the weekly would be the
>>>>>> priority
>>>>>>  which is something we might need a record of.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly check
>>>>>> list?*
>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which is the
>>>>>> concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the "finished"
>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be lost.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the master to
>>>>>> weekly page
>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and notes
>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the line items
>>>>>> from the weekly page to the "finished" table
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> J
>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, Doug
>>>>>> Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>> tables
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Julee,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-89PKiZpdE0xdm9Sb1ZvRW
>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are okay,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> a problem to work with. But the larger, "master_list" is so large that
>>>>>> working with it in wiki is very difficult. That's why I recommend
>>>>>> using
>>>>>> the original spreadsheet to track results.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-08
>>>>>> #Border_color_properties
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Julee
>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, Doug
>>>>>> Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>> tables
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for coordinators
>>>>>> here by eliminating the last "master_list" table. This table is
>>>>>> nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We already have a
>>>>>> spreadsheet that is far easier to work with, and I'd suggest we
>>>>>> stick with it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time right now
>>>>>> to work on that.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date with
>>>>>> my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant "master_list"
>>>>>> table in the wiki.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     Hi, WPDW coordinators:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     Please remember to:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
>>>>>> marks
>>>>>>     * update this week's page [2] with status
>>>>>>     * update master list [3] when things are done
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     Thanks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     Julee
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>     [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
>>>>>>     [2]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-08
>>>>>>     [3]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/master_lis
>>>>>> t
>>>>>>     ----------------------------
>>>>>>     julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>>     @adobejulee
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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