- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:12:50 -0400
- To: public-swbp-wg@w3.org
[completing this for Natasha, as she had to leave early] The draft minutes of today's telecon are now http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html A text snapshot of revision 1.2 $Date: 2005/04/07 20:08:49 $ follows: ---- SemWeb BPD 7 Apr 2005 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0018.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-irc Attendees Present Ralph Swick, Aldo Gangemi, Darren Govoni, Dan Brickley, Libby Miller, Evan Wallace, Jeff Pan, Gary Ng, Natasha Noy, Guus Schreiber, Chris Welty, David Wood, Alan Rector, Tom Baker Regrets Jeremy Carroll, Benjamin Nguyen, Deb McGuinness, Phil Tetlow, Marco Nanni, Andreas Harth, Fabien Gandon, Brian Mcbride Chair Guus Scribe Natasha Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]WordNet TF 2. [6]Proposed resolution httpRange-14 3. [7]OMG: ODM review 4. [8]DAWG: UNSAID and SOURCE issues 5. [9]XML Schema Last Call 6. [10]SWBPD FAQ proposal 7. [11]OEP TF 8. [12]XML Schema datatypes 9. [13]Vocabulary Management 10. [14]RDF in XHTML 11. [15]RDFTM 12. [16]ADTF 13. [17]Tutorial Page 14. [18]SE TF 15. [19]PORT TF * [20]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________________ [21]previous meeting 2005-03-24 [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0022.html RESOLVED to accept the [22]minutes of the March 24 telecon [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0022.html RESOLVED to accept the [23]minutes of Boston ftf 4-5 March [23] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/03-swbp-minutes RESOLVED next telecon 21 April 1700 UTC NOT 1800 UTC regrets for 21 April from Alan and DanBri ACTION: chairs & ralph to organise straw poll on f2f location continued, assigned to Guus ACTION: Guus to organise straw poll on f2f location Guus:There is also an offer from Stanford to hold f2f ... Will include in the strawpoll: Stanford, Vancouver, Galway ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an interested participant has been unable to get a response from his AC Rep. Ralph: was in a process of finding his out, but ISI has a new AC rep, so there may be progress on that issue Action continued WordNet TF ACTION: Guus to contact Aldo re whether he can attend next telecon [DONE] Current status of the TF: Aldo is writing a new version of the note on data model for WN Princeton plans to add new relationships to WN 2.1, perhaps also change in top levels <danbri> (I'd like to review it) ISLE lexical entries: [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0069.ht ml [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0069.html Aldo: are we in the position to add a liason action with ISLE <danbri> (re pronunciation extensions, we have work at [25]http://www.w3.org/Voice/ that we should connect with...) [25] http://www.w3.org/Voice/ Guus: time line is very important and estimate of feasibility ... is this something you can resolve in 3-6 months? Aldo: certainly possible <danbri> [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wnNounsyb_v7.owl 404s (link from [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0066.ht ml) [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wnNounsyb_v7.owl [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0066.html) Guus: suggests to update the TF description to reflect the addition and we will discuss it at the next telecon ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the TF description DanBri: What is the relationship to the [28]Wordnet in RDFS and OWL document that Brian began to draft last year. Is it obsoleted by Aldo's work? [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wordnet-sw-20040713.html <aldogan> [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0068.ht ml [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0068.html <Ralph> [30]November f2f WNET discussion minutes [30] http://www.w3.org/2004/11/01-swbp#item12 <danbri> all i can find is rdf/owl doc... [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wordnet_datamodel.owl [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wordnet_datamodel.owl Aldo: the datamodel is still based on the one Brian suggested but it has changed a bit Changes are described in the document Some of the documentation is in the OWL file and should be moved to the document directly Guus: It will be good to have another TF telecon discussion on teh datamodel <danbri> ah, found the big file: [32]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wnNounsyn_v7.owl (via browsing directory) [32] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wnNounsyn_v7.owl Proposed resolution httpRange-14 ACTION: DavidW to draft the http-range-14 message [33]DONE] [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0202.html David: would be interested to know what happened on the TAG side <danbri> my sketch [34]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/httpclass/1 [34] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/httpclass/1 Ralph advised Dan Connolly that if TAG wanted to devise a forum to discuss the technical issues with us, we will be glad to do that David: How much energy/time are we willing to spend on this? <ChrisW> i agree with david DanBri: I [35]started a document on this topic (drafted as VM but without coordination w/ VM TF members) and to note that TAG minutes showed Tim as misunderstanding the WG resolution [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0012.html Ralph: we need to distinguish whether our arguments are deployment-oriented (something in our charter) vs architecture-driven arguments ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at the coordination level OMG: ODM review ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel continued, trying to finish this week ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary continued ... later in the meeting ... Evan: semantics of business rules work in OMG has potential overlap with ODM ... there is some coordination contention in OMG about how much consistency is desired between that spec and ODM ... business rules work does not have a formal semantics DAWG: UNSAID and SOURCE issues ACTION: Chris to provide input to DAWG based on deployment experience. completed; see [36]Chris's summary of his DAWG action [36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0021.html ACTION: Deb sort SOURCE issue discussion timing out with DanC how you like; copy in davidw done XML Schema Last Call ACTION: jjc to review XML schema LC draft continued; the draft is coming out shortly ACTION: Jeff to review XML schema LC draft continued; the draft is coming out shortly SWBPD FAQ proposal SWBPD FAQ proposal: last time we agreed to do it Last week we decided that FAQ will be part of the Tutorial work <Ralph> Yes, Benjamin volunteers for FAQ in [37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0213.ht ml [37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0213.html OEP TF ACTION: Guus review of part-whole draft completed: [38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0017.ht ml [38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0017.html ACTION: Bill review of part-whole draft completed: [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0209.ht ml [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0209.html There was also a review by Natasha: [40]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0219.ht ml [40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0219.html Natasha: the current draft doesn't talk about any patterns at the instance level Alan: there is a set of examples about geography that I wanted to deal with separately ... have to be careful with expressing qualifiers Natasha: I just wanted to point out to people that the relationships can be expressed just as a normal property Alan:I welcome additions from Natasha publication status of OEP Notes Chris cleaning up some pubrules violations in the specified values note Ralph: Classes as values is ready to go; sent for transition approval; might be published today Chris: no further progress on other OEP notes XML Schema datatypes ACTION: jeff to coordinate editorial changes, formatting requirements, etc for XML schema dtypes [DONE] ACTION: Ralph help Jeff and Jeremy with XML Schema Datatype publication request Vocabulary Management TomB: DanBri drafted a small note "[41]Some Things that Hashless HTTP URIs Can Name" ... we wanted to cover things like this in the VM Note ... intend to schedule some TF telecons in next 2-3 weeks [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/httpclass/1 DanBri: I'd like Task Force members to take a look at what I've started Guus: can this be merged with the main document? DanBri: the separate document may be a focal point for our interaction with TAG TomB: the material might be 2-3 paragraphs in the main document, so it is appropriate to have it separate for now RDF in XHTML ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2 namespace elements [CONTINUES] DanBri: I had assumed that this action would be triggered by a new XHTML2 Working Draft Ralph: tf had a telecon earlier this week [42]minutes] ... both Mark Birbeck and Steven Pemberton attended ... update in the public record from them ... a new URI for an editor's draft (not on the w3.org site) ... not clear if we want to work from an editor's draft vs wait [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Apr/0007.html <danbri> ([43]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html btw defines Editor's Drafts; a new page) [43] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have use cases [CONTINUES] ACTION: Tom Baker ask DC colleagues if many use rdf inside html [DONE] TomB: I got two responses that I summarized to the WG list ... can get more feedback if necessary ACTION: BenA set a time for the RDF-in-XHTML telecons [DONE] ACTION: the rdf in html tf to discuss whether GRIDDL needs to work on XHTML2 documents [WITHDRAWN] Guus: this seems a general goal of the TF, propose to withdraw DanBri: it is important to have a way to extract RDF from RDF/A ... this should be a part of the TF agenda <danbri> (reason for fussing on this is that the qnames-in-attribute values aspect complicates things, as it raises the Q of whether GRDDLs are XSLT 1.0 or 2.0, how to deploy w/ both environments, etc etc.) Guus: I asked Jeremy to give a talk on the status of this work at WWW2005 ... I am worried that there may not be a public WD by then Ralph: we are putting a lot of pressure on the HTML WG to issue a new public WD RDFTM Guus: constructive comments from Steve Newcomb ADTF Libby: I've been looking at the [44]notes from Boston f2f and extracted the following: [44] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/03-swbp-minutes#item03 <libby> [[ <libby> * <libby> only applications and demos with their own [WWW]DOAP descriptions will be included <libby> * <libby> only freely downloadable apps and demos will be included unless they are products of a W3C member company <libby> * <libby> for the time being only RDF, RDFS and OWL applications will be included <libby> ]] Libby: have we made an official decision on these criteria? Ralph: I thought the meeting gave the authority to the TF to decide the criteria Libby: good, we'll send a note out then Tutorial Page Guus: Benjamin and Jeff volunteered to work on this ... happy to have two people ... I'd like a simple procedure proposed for people to submit questions ... per Alan's suggestion in [45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0097.ht ml [45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0097.html <JeffP> [46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0215.ht ml [46] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0215.html ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission of FAQ questions SE TF Jeff: telecon considered whether automated software engineering experts were needed in the TF ... consensus of TF was that we do need such expertise Guus: for an invited expert, we need a good description of a person with the required expertise and an explanation of why this expertise is not available among the W3C Membership ... main point is that the critical expertise is not present in the WG and justification for why the recommended person works for an organization that is not a W3C Member Jeff: re status of draft: we're working on Michael and David's comments ... example section is being restructured ... we would like more review of the existing examples in the draft ... Michael suggested that we need an example for section 3.3 ... we would like the WG to supply an example for 3.3 else we will drop that section ... we hope to have a document for review by 23 April ... proposed idea section will make the concept of ontology-driven architecture more clear ... we have a workshop proposal on "Semantic Web Enabled Software Engineering" for ISWC accepted, chaired by Evan Guus: a report of that workshop would be a useful contribution to this group PORT TF <danbri> Alistair's PORT TF summary: [47]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0015.ht ml (i) SKOS core ready to go (ii) Tom has some issues (which he'll summarise) (iii) minor comments re Publishing thes doc. [47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0015.html DanBri: we have 3 documents that we hope to publish at the same time ... all have been reviewed ... SKOS Core Guide appears to be ready to go ... SKOS Core Specifications had some comments from TomB TomB: my comments were to be precise about the relationship between parts of the specification and the corresponding RDF schema <danbri> (re status w.r.t. notion of Editor's Draft, we can now cite [48]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html to explain what these are) [48] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html TomB: ... which version is authoritative? ... when changes are made, how to describe what the status of those changes will be ... some additional citations needed for people to find explanations of the different document types ... some more work needs to be done, but these are not issues that should hold up publication DanBri: 3rd doc is Quick Guide to Publishing a Thesaurus on the Semantic Web ... some debate about whether to use the word "publish" or "convert" ... I think the 3 documents are basically ready to go Guus: we need a proposal on the agenda to approve these for publication ... I am willing to handle the publication proposal by mail if the TF wishes TomB: I expect to sit down with Alistair next week and we can review the draft then Guus: we'll propose to consider publication of the set of 3 documents at the next telecon ... TF can ask for earlier consideration by mail if you wish DanBri: editors should note [49]Style for Group-internal Drafts [49] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html [50]Style for Group-internal Drafts (or, "How to avoid confusion with TR page documents") [Ian Jacobs 2005-04-07] [50] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2005AprJun/0012.html Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at the coordination level [recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Guus to organise straw poll on f2f location [recorded in [53]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission of FAQ questions [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action13] [NEW] ACTION: Ralph help Jeff and Jeremy with XML Schema Datatype publication request [recorded in [55]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action07] ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2 namespace elements [recorded in [56]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action08] ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have use cases [recorded in [57]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action09] ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an interested participant has been unable to get a response from his AC Rep [recorded in [58]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [DONE] ACTION: Tom Baker ask DC colleagues if many use rdf inside html [recorded in [59]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action10] [DONE] ACTION: BenA set a time for the RDF-in-XHTML telecons [recorded in [60]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action11] [DONE] ACTION: jeff to coordinate editorial changes, formatting requirements, etc for XML schema dtypes [recorded in [61]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action06] [WITHDRAWN] ACTION: chairs & ralph to organise straw poll on f2f location [recorded in [62]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action01] [WITHDRAWN] ACTION: the rdf in html tf to discuss whether GRIDDL needs to work on XHTML2 documents [recorded in [63]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action12] [51] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action04 [52] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action05 [53] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action02 [54] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action13 [55] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action07 [56] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action08 [57] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action09 [58] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action03 [59] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action10 [60] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action11 [61] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action06 [62] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action01 [63] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action12 [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [64]scribe.perl version 1.122 ([65]CVS log) $Date: 2005/04/07 20:08:49 $ [64] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [65] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
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