- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 16:12:50 -0400
- To: public-swbp-wg@w3.org
[completing this for Natasha, as she had to leave early]
The draft minutes of today's telecon are now
http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html
A text snapshot of revision 1.2 $Date: 2005/04/07 20:08:49 $ follows:
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SemWeb BPD
7 Apr 2005
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0018.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-irc
Attendees
Present
Ralph Swick, Aldo Gangemi, Darren Govoni, Dan Brickley, Libby
Miller, Evan Wallace, Jeff Pan, Gary Ng, Natasha Noy, Guus
Schreiber, Chris Welty, David Wood, Alan Rector, Tom Baker
Regrets
Jeremy Carroll, Benjamin Nguyen, Deb McGuinness, Phil Tetlow,
Marco Nanni, Andreas Harth, Fabien Gandon, Brian Mcbride
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Natasha
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]WordNet TF
2. [6]Proposed resolution httpRange-14
3. [7]OMG: ODM review
4. [8]DAWG: UNSAID and SOURCE issues
5. [9]XML Schema Last Call
6. [10]SWBPD FAQ proposal
7. [11]OEP TF
8. [12]XML Schema datatypes
9. [13]Vocabulary Management
10. [14]RDF in XHTML
11. [15]RDFTM
12. [16]ADTF
13. [17]Tutorial Page
14. [18]SE TF
15. [19]PORT TF
* [20]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________________
[21]previous meeting 2005-03-24
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0022.html
RESOLVED to accept the [22]minutes of the March 24 telecon
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0022.html
RESOLVED to accept the [23]minutes of Boston ftf 4-5 March
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/03-swbp-minutes
RESOLVED next telecon 21 April 1700 UTC
NOT 1800 UTC
regrets for 21 April from Alan and DanBri
ACTION: chairs & ralph to organise straw poll on f2f location
continued, assigned to Guus
ACTION: Guus to organise straw poll on f2f location
Guus:There is also an offer from Stanford to hold f2f
... Will include in the strawpoll: Stanford, Vancouver, Galway
ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an interested
participant has been unable to get a response from his AC Rep.
Ralph: was in a process of finding his out, but ISI has a new AC rep,
so there may be progress on that issue
Action continued
WordNet TF
ACTION: Guus to contact Aldo re whether he can attend next telecon
[DONE]
Current status of the TF:
Aldo is writing a new version of the note on data model for WN
Princeton plans to add new relationships to WN 2.1, perhaps also
change in top levels
<danbri> (I'd like to review it)
ISLE lexical entries:
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0069.ht
ml
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0069.html
Aldo: are we in the position to add a liason action with ISLE
<danbri> (re pronunciation extensions, we have work at
[25]http://www.w3.org/Voice/ that we should connect with...)
[25] http://www.w3.org/Voice/
Guus: time line is very important and estimate of feasibility
... is this something you can resolve in 3-6 months?
Aldo: certainly possible
<danbri>
[26]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wnNounsyb_v7.owl 404s
(link from
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0066.ht
ml)
[26] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wnNounsyb_v7.owl
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0066.html)
Guus: suggests to update the TF description to reflect the addition
and we will discuss it at the next telecon
ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the TF description
DanBri: What is the relationship to the [28]Wordnet in RDFS and OWL
document that Brian began to draft last year. Is it obsoleted by
Aldo's work?
[28] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wordnet-sw-20040713.html
<aldogan>
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0068.ht
ml
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0068.html
<Ralph> [30]November f2f WNET discussion minutes
[30] http://www.w3.org/2004/11/01-swbp#item12
<danbri> all i can find is rdf/owl doc...
[31]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wordnet_datamodel.owl
[31] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wordnet_datamodel.owl
Aldo: the datamodel is still based on the one Brian suggested
but it has changed a bit
Changes are described in the document
Some of the documentation is in the OWL file and should be moved to
the document directly
Guus: It will be good to have another TF telecon discussion on teh
datamodel
<danbri> ah, found the big file:
[32]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wnNounsyn_v7.owl (via
browsing directory)
[32] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/WNET/wnNounsyn_v7.owl
Proposed resolution httpRange-14
ACTION: DavidW to draft the http-range-14 message [33]DONE]
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0202.html
David: would be interested to know what happened on the TAG side
<danbri> my sketch
[34]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/httpclass/1
[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/httpclass/1
Ralph advised Dan Connolly that if TAG wanted to devise a forum to
discuss the technical issues with us, we will be glad to do that
David: How much energy/time are we willing to spend on this?
<ChrisW> i agree with david
DanBri: I [35]started a document on this topic (drafted as VM but
without coordination w/ VM TF members) and to note that TAG minutes
showed Tim as misunderstanding the WG resolution
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0012.html
Ralph: we need to distinguish whether our arguments are
deployment-oriented (something in our charter) vs architecture-driven
arguments
ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at the coordination
level
OMG: ODM review
ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel
continued, trying to finish this week
ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary
continued
... later in the meeting ...
Evan: semantics of business rules work in OMG has potential overlap
with ODM
... there is some coordination contention in OMG about how much
consistency is desired between that spec and ODM
... business rules work does not have a formal semantics
DAWG: UNSAID and SOURCE issues
ACTION: Chris to provide input to DAWG based on deployment experience.
completed; see [36]Chris's summary of his DAWG action
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0021.html
ACTION: Deb sort SOURCE issue discussion timing out with DanC how you
like; copy in davidw
done
XML Schema Last Call
ACTION: jjc to review XML schema LC draft
continued; the draft is coming out shortly
ACTION: Jeff to review XML schema LC draft
continued; the draft is coming out shortly
SWBPD FAQ proposal
SWBPD FAQ proposal: last time we agreed to do it
Last week we decided that FAQ will be part of the Tutorial work
<Ralph> Yes, Benjamin volunteers for FAQ in
[37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0213.ht
ml
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0213.html
OEP TF
ACTION: Guus review of part-whole draft
completed:
[38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0017.ht
ml
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0017.html
ACTION: Bill review of part-whole draft
completed:
[39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0209.ht
ml
[39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0209.html
There was also a review by Natasha:
[40]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0219.ht
ml
[40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0219.html
Natasha: the current draft doesn't talk about any patterns at the
instance level
Alan: there is a set of examples about geography that I wanted to deal
with separately
... have to be careful with expressing qualifiers
Natasha: I just wanted to point out to people that the relationships
can be expressed just as a normal property
Alan:I welcome additions from Natasha
publication status of OEP Notes
Chris cleaning up some pubrules violations in the specified values
note
Ralph: Classes as values is ready to go; sent for transition approval;
might be published today
Chris: no further progress on other OEP notes
XML Schema datatypes
ACTION: jeff to coordinate editorial changes, formatting requirements,
etc for XML schema dtypes [DONE]
ACTION: Ralph help Jeff and Jeremy with XML Schema Datatype
publication request
Vocabulary Management
TomB: DanBri drafted a small note "[41]Some Things that Hashless HTTP
URIs Can Name"
... we wanted to cover things like this in the VM Note
... intend to schedule some TF telecons in next 2-3 weeks
[41] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/httpclass/1
DanBri: I'd like Task Force members to take a look at what I've
started
Guus: can this be merged with the main document?
DanBri: the separate document may be a focal point for our interaction
with TAG
TomB: the material might be 2-3 paragraphs in the main document, so it
is appropriate to have it separate for now
RDF in XHTML
ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2
namespace elements [CONTINUES]
DanBri: I had assumed that this action would be triggered by a new
XHTML2 Working Draft
Ralph: tf had a telecon earlier this week [42]minutes]
... both Mark Birbeck and Steven Pemberton attended
... update in the public record from them
... a new URI for an editor's draft (not on the w3.org site)
... not clear if we want to work from an editor's draft vs wait
[42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2005Apr/0007.html
<danbri> ([43]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html btw
defines Editor's Drafts; a new page)
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html
ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have
use cases [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Tom Baker ask DC colleagues if many use rdf inside html [DONE]
TomB: I got two responses that I summarized to the WG list
... can get more feedback if necessary
ACTION: BenA set a time for the RDF-in-XHTML telecons [DONE]
ACTION: the rdf in html tf to discuss whether GRIDDL needs to work on
XHTML2 documents [WITHDRAWN]
Guus: this seems a general goal of the TF, propose to withdraw
DanBri: it is important to have a way to extract RDF from RDF/A
... this should be a part of the TF agenda
<danbri> (reason for fussing on this is that the qnames-in-attribute
values aspect complicates things, as it raises the Q of whether GRDDLs
are XSLT 1.0 or 2.0, how to deploy w/ both environments, etc etc.)
Guus: I asked Jeremy to give a talk on the status of this work at
WWW2005
... I am worried that there may not be a public WD by then
Ralph: we are putting a lot of pressure on the HTML WG to issue a new
public WD
RDFTM
Guus: constructive comments from Steve Newcomb
ADTF
Libby: I've been looking at the [44]notes from Boston f2f and
extracted the following:
[44] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/03-swbp-minutes#item03
<libby> [[
<libby> *
<libby> only applications and demos with their own [WWW]DOAP
descriptions will be included
<libby> *
<libby> only freely downloadable apps and demos will be included
unless they are products of a W3C member company
<libby> *
<libby> for the time being only RDF, RDFS and OWL applications will be
included
<libby> ]]
Libby: have we made an official decision on these criteria?
Ralph: I thought the meeting gave the authority to the TF to decide
the criteria
Libby: good, we'll send a note out then
Tutorial Page
Guus: Benjamin and Jeff volunteered to work on this
... happy to have two people
... I'd like a simple procedure proposed for people to submit
questions
... per Alan's suggestion in
[45]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0097.ht
ml
[45] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0097.html
<JeffP>
[46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0215.ht
ml
[46] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0215.html
ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for submission
of FAQ questions
SE TF
Jeff: telecon considered whether automated software engineering
experts were needed in the TF
... consensus of TF was that we do need such expertise
Guus: for an invited expert, we need a good description of a person
with the required expertise and an explanation of why this expertise
is not available among the W3C Membership
... main point is that the critical expertise is not present in the WG
and justification for why the recommended person works for an
organization that is not a W3C Member
Jeff: re status of draft: we're working on Michael and David's
comments
... example section is being restructured
... we would like more review of the existing examples in the draft
... Michael suggested that we need an example for section 3.3
... we would like the WG to supply an example for 3.3 else we will
drop that section
... we hope to have a document for review by 23 April
... proposed idea section will make the concept of ontology-driven
architecture more clear
... we have a workshop proposal on "Semantic Web Enabled Software
Engineering" for ISWC accepted, chaired by Evan
Guus: a report of that workshop would be a useful contribution to this
group
PORT TF
<danbri> Alistair's PORT TF summary:
[47]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0015.ht
ml (i) SKOS core ready to go (ii) Tom has some issues (which he'll
summarise) (iii) minor comments re Publishing thes doc.
[47] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0015.html
DanBri: we have 3 documents that we hope to publish at the same time
... all have been reviewed
... SKOS Core Guide appears to be ready to go
... SKOS Core Specifications had some comments from TomB
TomB: my comments were to be precise about the relationship between
parts of the specification and the corresponding RDF schema
<danbri> (re status w.r.t. notion of Editor's Draft, we can now cite
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html to explain what
these are)
[48] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html
TomB: ... which version is authoritative?
... when changes are made, how to describe what the status of those
changes will be
... some additional citations needed for people to find explanations
of the different document types
... some more work needs to be done, but these are not issues that
should hold up publication
DanBri: 3rd doc is Quick Guide to Publishing a Thesaurus on the
Semantic Web
... some debate about whether to use the word "publish" or "convert"
... I think the 3 documents are basically ready to go
Guus: we need a proposal on the agenda to approve these for
publication
... I am willing to handle the publication proposal by mail if the TF
wishes
TomB: I expect to sit down with Alistair next week and we can review
the draft then
Guus: we'll propose to consider publication of the set of 3 documents
at the next telecon
... TF can ask for earlier consideration by mail if you wish
DanBri: editors should note [49]Style for Group-internal Drafts
[49] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/28-editor-style.html
[50]Style for Group-internal Drafts (or, "How to avoid confusion with
TR page documents") [Ian Jacobs 2005-04-07]
[50] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2005AprJun/0012.html
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description
[recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Chairs to discuss the httpRange-14 issue at the
coordination level
[recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus to organise straw poll on f2f location
[recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Jeff to talk with Benjamin to propose a process for
submission of FAQ questions
[recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph help Jeff and Jeremy with XML Schema Datatype
publication request
[recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional xhtml2
namespace elements
[recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they have
use cases
[recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an interested
participant has been unable to get a response from his AC Rep
[recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
[DONE] ACTION: Tom Baker ask DC colleagues if many use rdf inside html
[recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action10]
[DONE] ACTION: BenA set a time for the RDF-in-XHTML telecons [recorded
in [60]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action11]
[DONE] ACTION: jeff to coordinate editorial changes, formatting
requirements, etc for XML schema dtypes [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action06]
[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: chairs & ralph to organise straw poll on f2f
location
[recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action01]
[WITHDRAWN] ACTION: the rdf in html tf to discuss whether GRIDDL needs
to work on XHTML2 documents
[recorded in
[63]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action12]
[51] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action04
[52] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action05
[53] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action02
[54] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action13
[55] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action07
[56] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action08
[57] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action09
[58] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action03
[59] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action10
[60] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action11
[61] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action06
[62] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action01
[63] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action12
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