- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:17:53 -0400
- To: public-swbp-wg@w3.org
SWBPD WG
24 Mar 2005
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0162.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
Attendees
Present
Phil Tetlow, David Wood, Ralph Swick, Steve Pepper, Jeff Pan,
Alistair Miles, Brian McBride, Guus Schreiber, Evan Wallace,
Fabio Vitali, Nicola Gessa, Valentina Presutti, Chris Welty,
Gavin McKenzie, Benjamin Nguyen (irc only)
Regrets
Marco Nanni, Deb McGuiness, Elisa Kendall, Alan Rector,
Tom Baker, Natasha Noy, Darren Govoni, Lars Marius Garshol,
Libby Miller, Dan Brickley, Fabien Gandon
Chair
David
Scribe
Alistair
Contents
* Topics
1. httpRange-14
2. RDFTM survey
3. 2.2 OMG: ODM review
4. 2.3: DAWG: UNSAID and SOURCE issues
5. 2.4 XML Schema Last Call
6. SWBPD FAQ proposal
7. PORT TF
8. OEP TF
* Summary of Action Items
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<Ralph> [Benjamin is here on irc]
<BenjaminNguyen> Hi I'm not in my office and don't seem to be allowed
to make int. calls, I'll be following via IRC
<Ralph> ACTION: Ralph to inform the W3C Communications Team that we
intend to cite [14]http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence as "W3C
URI Persistence Policy" DONE [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[14] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
david: http-range-14 ...
httpRange-14
discussion re jeremies draft text on the list ...
scribe: message needs to go out ...
... anyone wish to continue this discussion?
pepper: happy with text
david: we don't have or need final draft ...
final wording up to chairs, I'm happy to take that on ...
david: final comments on http-range-14?
[no comments]
guus: we need a final decision ...
david: proposal on table that wg chair sends message to TAG like what
jjc drafted with subsequent comments made on list ...
PROPOSAL: redraft jjc's proposal and send to TAG
second: pepper
no objections
<scribe> ACTION: davidw to draft the http-range-14 message [recorded
in [16]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
RDFTM survey
pepper: editors have new draft
... posted 17 march ... also resolved comments ... 17th March draft
ready to go for 1st WD.
<Ralph> [17]17 March RDF/Topic Maps Survey draft
[17] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/RDFTM/survey-2005-03-17
David: reviewers have responded to resolutions
pepper: we had some comments from DanC and Peter PS ...
we have responded, but perhaps not resolved completely. ...
can continue discussion in WG ...
guus: diff of opinion with DanC ... ?
pepper: DanC has problem with terminology, danbri has posted some
wording to bridge the gap ...
issue with peter is more complex, harder to achieve short term
resolution.
david: no problem with moving the doc to WG draft in spite of current
outside comments
... if there are comments from outside the group we can address the
comments while draft is published.
guus: but nice to acknowledge these outside comments?
Fabio: peters objections not relvant to document in itself
guus: don't want to give impression that putting someting under the
carpet
pepper: but we continue discussion on list ...
guus: but a short note pointing to the mail message?
ralph: no obligation to do that
guus: I'm being inclusinve
pepper: pps disagrees with fundamental premiss of RDFTM TF
ralph: encouraged by the discussion triggered ...
<ekw> question 4 Steve: Have you added a reference for RDF Semantics?
our obligation as WG is to address all comments before go to next
transition point ...
only applies for transition from last call to candidate rec ...
<Valentina> Fabio, Valentina and Nicola have the same irc connection
this time
guus is right that we should be responding to comments visibly ...
but we don't need to allow them to hold us up publishing a draft ..
and in this case I think we should proceed ...
. Only question is do we start a new list?
scribe: but stick with it for now.
evan: put in reference to RDF semantics?
pepper: has not changed doc since 17 march, but happy to change
reference
<scribe> ACTION: pepper to change reference to RDF semantics [recorded
in [18]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
david: propose to move RDFTM survey to 1st WD
second: ralph
no objections
motion passed
ralph: have to get approval for the name of the doc ...
<ChrisW> i would like to abstain
don't expect any issues to be raised,but may mean this first
publication takes slightly longer than subsequent updates
pepper: will post updated version at same location
... thanks all
<Valentina> i'm glad of your warm reaction to the doc
guus: plan for RDFTM was to move quickly to next doc?
pepper: how long expect 1st WD to be out before next version?
guus: no issue on timing
ralph: judge on rate of arrival of comments
guus: I meant the second deliverable
pepper: second deliverable 'guideliines' plan to start after easter
... try to have something ready for xtreme
... wrt the survey want to put it on agenda of iso tm committee ..
will wait for comments from ISO before making any revisions.
2.2 OMG: ODM review
<Ralph> Steve: ISO TM meeting in mid-May
<Ralph> ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel CONTINUES [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary
recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> continues
2.3: DAWG: UNSAID and SOURCE issues
ACTION Chris to provide input to DAWG based on deployment experience.
<Ralph> ACTION: Chris to provide input to DAWG based on deployment
experience. recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
continues
<Ralph> ACTION: Deb sort SOURCE issue discussion timing out with DanC
how you like; copy in davidw [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> continues
2.4 XML Schema Last Call
XML Schema intends to publish its LC shortly around 28 March with a
<Ralph> [23]proposal to publish XSCH WD
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0160.html
<Ralph> [wrong item; not for this topic]
guus: recent message from David Ezell chair of XML schema, we are on
their dependency list ...
publishing last call 28marhc, asked us if 4 weeks is sufficient
scribe: jjc jas offered to review.
<scribe> ACTION: jjc to review XML schema LC draft [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
jeff: will review also
<scribe> ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the Feb 24 telecon
chris: more time to review f2f minutes
<Ralph> [26]previous meeting 2005-03-03
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/03-swbp-minutes
<Ralph> [27]previous telecon 2004-02-24
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Feb/0161.html
ralph concurrs with chris
second: chrisW
carried
david: carry over f2f minutes propsal to next telecon
PROPOSED next telecon 7 april 1800 UTC
guus: location of last f2f?
<scribe> ACTION: chairs & ralph to organise straw poll on f2f location
recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
ralph: more candidates?
guus: have 2 candidates
candidates: vancouver, galway
SWBPD FAQ proposal
guus: good feedback
... very useful thing
david: TF FAQ ?
guus: more liek the tutorial page
david: put with apps&demos or tutorial?
... coordination issue.
guus: practice every time we publish a doc then the editors provide
some FAQ questions leading to the doc
... but still need a FAQ editor, so small task
david: this task needs assignment
any volunteers?
tomA was doing tutorials page but has had to drop out of group ...
so tutorials unmaintained
guus: we have limiter resources right now, do this later?
david: keep this on the agenda
ralph: keep a wishlist
PORT TF
<Ralph> ACTION: Al to run pubrules checker on SKOS Core Guide ; Ralph
will help. DONE [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> ACTION: Alistair to change the wording of the link to "the
persistence policy at URL http:" DONE [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> ACTION: Alistair to think about machine-readable change
policies CONTINUE [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> ACTION: Alistair to change the links to examples DONE
recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> Alistair: awaiting policy statement to include in core guide;
expect them next week
<Ralph> ... plan to release guide and spec together without
rearranging material into appendix as suggested at f2f
<Ralph> ... hope to propose first WD for spec, guide, and quick guide
at next telecon
OEP TF
chris: at f2f propose to accept two drafts pending actions ...
classes as values actions done redy to go...
scribe: re value partitions ... alan decided not to make the change
...
so all actions considered completed, can we make them notes?
ralph: assuming wg concurs, then we make the content change (i.e. say
WG note at the top0 ...
then make publication request.
chris: simple part-whole, will post version today, editors draft ready
to be reviewed ...
at f2f guus and BillM from adobe volunteered ...
<scribe> ... no progress on any other notes.
david: good progress
<Ralph> ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an
interested participant has been unable to get a response from his AC
Rep recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
3.3 WordNet (Aldo)
carry forward (aldo not here)
<scribe> ACTION: guus to contact aldo re whether he can attend next
telecon recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
3.4 XML Schema datatypes (Jeremy)
jeff: jjc has integrated comments into draft ...
also has added editor's opinion ...
evan has reviewd the draft ...
evan: have extensivley reviewd 1st draft ...
have reviewed latest version, looks good
(23 march version ???)
<JeffP> [35]http://dl-web.man.ac.uk/~panz/xsch-sw/
[35] http://dl-web.man.ac.uk/~panz/xsch-sw/
evan: reviewed 11 march version
ralph: what changes?
jeff: didn't change the date, difference is slightly revised editor's
option, ...
also jeff added someting on formal semnatics of datatypes .
david: don't move to WD until clarify versions issue?
jeff: no, jjc removed some symbols to indicate change, but main text
unchanged
ralph doing diff, concurrs with jeff
ralph happy
PROPOSED: move XML schema datatypes to 1st WD
evan: second
no objections
motion carried
<scribe> ACTION: jeff to coordinate editorial changes, formatting
requirements, etc for XML schema dtypes [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
3.5 Vocabulary management (TomB)
<scribe> ACTION: TomB to post URL to his VM TF slides DONE [recorded
in [37]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
3.6 RDF-in-HTML (Ben)
<Ralph> ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional
xhtml2 namespace elements [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> continues
<Ralph> ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they
have usecases recorded in [39]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> continues
gavin: positive response on GRDDL ...
started dialogue with blogtool people ....
hope to tie up loose ends before next telecon ...
<Ralph> ACTION: BenA set a time for the RDF-in-XHTML telecons DONE
recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> ACTION: the rdf in html tf to discuss whether GRDDL needs to
work on XHTML2 documents [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> continues
<Ralph> ACTION: Tom Baker ask DC colleagues if many use rdf inside
html recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[42] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
<Ralph> contines
ralph: suggestion we review editors draft of xhtml2 spec ...
conterargument: we should wait till publicatoin
david: html wg is having hard time reaching consensus, don't want to
slow them down.
ralph: html wg unlikely to consider comments until after publication
... intend myself to look at current editors draft
... don't believe there is anything we can do to help them right now.
david: discuss at coordination group level?
ralph: semweb coordination discussed whether to invite liasion with
hypertext coordination group ....
ericm took action to investigate telecon liaison
scribe: but now we're waiting for html-wg before take any action
including on GRDDL.
3.7 ADTF (Libby)
<Zakim> bwm, you wanted to request to be excused
3.10 SE TF
3.9 Tutorial Page (TomA)
<scribe> ACTION: david to ask for volunteers to take over tutorial
page recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
3.10 SE TF
phil: jeff is now editor for se draft ...
also action to ground draft in current OWL work ...
looking at significatn rewrite ...
aiming to get new version of draft by 23 april
david: will new version address comments made at f2f?
phil: we're doing good work, note becoming solid.
evan: there are things to do before we've satisfied commets, but tasks
have been assigned.
jeff: we've worked on the draft, editors list only includes people who
put hands on
... example uses concrete syntax ...
structure of the draft changed ....
<ekw> Jeff Pan summarized status in:
[44]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0188.ht
ml
[44] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Mar/0188.html
still a bit to do, including specific refs to ODM & integrate proposed
idea with the example ...
& make more readable.
scribe: section about 'which language?' ... didn't get comment on why
do we need this section ...
because OWL is the only one ... so can dorp this section ...
guus: don't drop
scribe error - guus says yes drop
jeff: do we need to do survey on auto se & domain theory ...
tf members are not experts, so may need invited experts to cover those
areas.
<DavidW> ChrisW, Can you rejoin?
<ChrisW> ok
phil: chirs wanted to look at these areas ...
... Chris had a preference for a reference to previous experience in
automated software engineering and domain theory
... does the WG have an opinion on trying to get this material?
Chris: agree with Guus' concern re document length
... I suggested two people who might join the WG who are more current
in those fields
<ekw> Chris suggested: Michael Goedicke and Andrea Zisman as ASE
experts
Guus: not the size that concerns me
... the chairs' problem is to make it clear to W3C that some critical
expertise is needed
... if some critical expertise is missing, then the case for an
invited expert can be made
Phil: we don't have the historical expertise to do what Chris has
proposed
... should we proceed to approach one of these individuals?
<Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to ask if the TF has an opinion on the
importance of such an addition
Guus: please don't create expectation
Phil: I could poll the TF
... I don't know of a consensus yet regarding the need for what Chris
proposes
Ralph: my preference would be to stay lean; don't presume you need to
grow the TF
Guus: consider the purpose of the Note and what expertise is needed
... then evaluate whether the WG has the expertise
Jeff: we can discuss this in the upcoming SE TF telecon
Guus: my comment about length was with respect to the OWL history
... I think the history of OWL is not particularly relevant
... however, I would not apply the length restriction to exclude new
issues
Jeff: there is an upcoming workshop on automated software engineering
Evan: we submitted a workshop proposal to ISWC Galway
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Alistair to think about machine-readable change policies
CONTINUE recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: chairs & ralph to organise straw poll on f2f location
recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to provide input to DAWG based on deployment
experience. recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: DanBri help write an rdf schema for the additional
xhtml2 namespace elements [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: david to ask for volunteers to take over tutorial page
recorded in [49]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: davidw to draft the http-range-14 message [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Deb sort SOURCE issue discussion timing out with DanC
how you like; copy in davidw [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Deb to go over OWL metamodel and provide a summary
recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if they
have usecases recorded in [53]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: guus to contact aldo re whether he can attend next
telecon recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus to review OWL metamodel CONTINUES [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: jeff to coordinate editorial changes, formatting
requirements, etc for XML schema dtypes [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: jeff to review XML schema LC draft [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: jjc to review XML schema LC draft [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: pepper to change reference to RDF semantics [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph investigate what action may be taken when an
interested participant has been unable to get a response from his AC
Rep recorded in [60]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: the rdf in html tf to discuss whether GRDDL needs to
work on XHTML2 documents [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Tom Baker ask DC colleagues if many use rdf inside html
recorded in [62]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[45] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[46] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[47] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[48] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[49] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[50] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[51] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[52] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[53] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[54] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[55] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[56] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[57] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[58] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[59] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[60] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[61] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[62] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[DONE] ACTION: Al to run pubrules checker on SKOS Core Guide ; Ralph
will help. recorded in [63]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair to change the links to examples [recorded in
[64]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[DONE] ACTION: Alistair to change the wording of the link to "the
persistence policy at URL http:" [recorded in
[65]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[DONE] ACTION: BenA set a time for the RDF-in-XHTML telecons [recorded
in [66]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph to inform the W3C Communications Team that we
intend to cite [67]http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence as "W3C
URI Persistence Policy" [recorded in
[68]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[DONE] ACTION: TomB to post URL to his VM TF slides [recorded in
[69]http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc]
[63] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[64] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[65] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[66] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[67] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Persistence
[68] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
[69] http://www.w3.org/2005/03/24-swbp-irc
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