RE: Re: alternate identifier draf

I agree that the pattern already exists and should be generalized instead of reinvented. The essential pattern is ultimately SKOS. Schema.org is making a mess by not realizing it.

"String" identifiers are buggy whips.

Jeff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Pohl [mailto:pohl@hbz-nrw.de]
> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 4:59 AM
> To: public-schemabibex@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Re: alternate identifier draf
> 
> Coming back to discussing the proposal itself: First, I wonder, why one
> needs a new property called schema:issuedBy. Why not use
> schema:publisher?
> 
> This would mean only adding three new properties and one new class to
> schema.org:
> 
> - schema:Identifier as the class of all identifiers
> - schema:identifier as the property which links something to an
> identifier
> - schema:inStandard to indicate where the identifier comes from.
> 
> But why add anything new at all?
> 
> As I said before, this design is very close to the practice of
> expressing a medical code for a disease or drug with schema.org. [1]
> Instead of schema:identifier they use schema:code and instead of
> schema:inStandard schema:codingSystem. I encourage re-using these
> properties or developing a general approach for both use cases instead
> of coming up with a new but very similar proposal.
> 
> One might argue that a controlled vocabulary like MeSH is quite
> different from a set of identifiers issued and that these should be
> made clear in schema.org. I'd say for the high-level markup schema.org
> provides, these can be treated as equivalent as some body issues
> identifiers for some things - may these things be publications or
> drugs, diseases etc. What type of thing the identifier belongs to (e.g.
> a schema:Drug or a schema:Book) is clear from the context, anyway.
> 
> - Adrian
> 
> [1]
> http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Identifier#Adopting_approa

> ch_from_medical.2Fhealth_extension
> 
> >>> On 20.1.2013 at 22:52, Niklas Lindström<lindstream@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Nice! I just fixed some minor HTML syntax issues, and also changed
> the
> > full URL in the first @typeof to just the term "Book" (which, like
> the
> > second @typeof="Identifier", is bound to the given
> > @vocab="http://schema.org/").
> >
> > (Also verified the output with the latest RDFLib.)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Niklas
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Adrian Pohl <pohl@hbz-nrw.de>
> wrote:
> >> I started to work on your Notation3 example before having read this
> thread
> > to the end. While being at it I put Ivan's example into the wiki. [1]
> But I
> > left out the schema:publisher truple as this wasn't part of the
> original
> > example and doesn't make sense.
> >>
> >>
> >> - Adrian
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Identifier-2

> >>
> >>>>> Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> 20.01.13 16.40 Uhr >>>
> >> No surprise that my examples suck :-) Should I substitute these for
> >> mine? That's fine with me.
> >>
> >> kc
> >>
> >> On 1/19/13 11:19 PM, Ivan Herman wrote:
> >>> Karen,
> >>>
> >>> the example is not RDFa but microdata... Which is per se o.k., but
> the
> > microdata->RDF conversion will not create a blank node when it sees a
> 
> > @itemprop="identifier/name" construct. Nor will RDFa, for that
> matter. The
> > result with RDFa will be something like (I just mechanically created
> an RDFa
> > file and ran it through my converter):
> >>>
> >>> @prefix ns1: <http://schema.org/identifier/> .
> >>> @prefix schema: <http://schema.org/> .
> >>>
> >>> [] a schema:Book;
> >>>      schema:author "Claude-Michel Schonberg, Alain Boublil, and
> Herbert
> > Kretzmer.";
> >>>      schema:bookFormat schema:Paperback;
> >>>      schema:by "Hal Leonard ";
> >>>      schema:description "For Piano/Vocal. Vocal Selections. ";
> >>>      ns1:issued "Hal Leonard ";
> >>>      ns1:name "HL.114335";
> >>>      schema:name "Les Miserables. (Selections from the Movie).";
> >>>      schema:numberOfPages " 88 pages.";
> >>>      schema:publisher " Published by Hal Leonard  " .
> >>>
> >>> which is not what you would expect:-( To do it right in HTML+RDFa
> (but, I
> > would think, in microdata as well, it is just that I am more 'fluent'
> in
> > RDFa) one has to something like
> >>>
> >>> <html><body>
> >>> <div vocab="http://schema.org/" typeof="http://schema.org/Book">
> >>>     <span property="name">Les Miserables. (Selections from the
> Movie).</span>
> >>>           by <span property="author" >Claude-Michel Schonberg,
> Alain Boublil,
> > and Herbert   Kretzmer.</span>
> >>>      <span property="description">For Piano/Vocal. Vocal
> Selections. </span>
> >>>      <l!nk property="bookFormat"
> > href="http://schema.org/Paperback">Softcover</a>.
> >>>      <span property="numberOfPages"> 88 pages.</span>
> >>>      <span property="publisher"><span property="identifier"
> > typeof="Identifier"><span property="issuedBy">Hal Leonard</span>,
> (<span
> > property="name">HL.114335</span>)</span></span>
> >>> </body></html>
> >>>
> >>> yielding
> >>>
> >>> [] a schema:Book;
> >>>      schema:author "Claude-Michel Schonberg, Alain Boublil, and
> Herbert
> > Kretzmer.";
> >>>      schema:bookFormat schema:Paperback;
> >>>      schema:description "For Piano/Vocal. Vocal Selections. ";
> >>>      schema:identifier [ a schema:Identifier;
> >>>              schema:issuedBy "Hal Leonard";
> >>>              schema:name "HL.114335" ];
> >>>      schema:name "Les Miserables. (Selections from the Movie).";
> >>>      schema:numberOfPages " 88 pages.";
> >>>      schema:publisher "Hal Leonard, (HL.114335)" .
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Which is not exactly the same, b.t.w., because the publisher field
> will also
> > include the identifier stuff...
> >>>
> >>> Sorry...:-)
> >>>
> >>> Ivan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 24:44 , Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have added a second identifier proposal [1], much simpler than
> the first
> > (and possibly too simple -- it is a first draft).
> >>>>
> >>>> kc
> >>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Identifier-2

> >>>> --
> >>>> Karen Coyle
> >>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net

> >>>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> >>>> m: 1-510-435-8234
> >>>> skype: kcoylenet
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----
> >>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
> >>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/

> >>> mobile: +31-641044153
> >>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf

> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Karen Coyle
> >> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net

> >> ph: 1-510-540-7596
> >> m: 1-510-435-8234
> >> skype: kcoylenet
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> 
>

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