Re: alternate identifier draf

I agree with Adrian: 
> 
> I encourage re-using these
> properties or developing a general approach for both use cases instead
> of coming up with a new but very similar proposal. 

-Jodi

On 21 Jan 2013, at 09:58, Adrian Pohl wrote:

> Coming back to discussing the proposal itself: First, I wonder, why one
> needs a new property called schema:issuedBy. Why not use
> schema:publisher?
> 
> This would mean only adding three new properties and one new class to
> schema.org:
> 
> - schema:Identifier as the class of all identifiers
> - schema:identifier as the property which links something to an
> identifier
> - schema:inStandard to indicate where the identifier comes from.
> 
> But why add anything new at all?
> 
> As I said before, this design is very close to the practice of
> expressing a medical code for a disease or drug with schema.org. [1]
> Instead of schema:identifier they use schema:code and instead of
> schema:inStandard schema:codingSystem. I encourage re-using these
> properties or developing a general approach for both use cases instead
> of coming up with a new but very similar proposal. 
> 
> One might argue that a controlled vocabulary like MeSH is quite
> different from a set of identifiers issued and that these should be made
> clear in schema.org. I'd say for the high-level markup schema.org
> provides, these can be treated as equivalent as some body issues
> identifiers for some things - may these things be publications or drugs,
> diseases etc. What type of thing the identifier belongs to (e.g. a
> schema:Drug or a schema:Book) is clear from the context, anyway.
> 
> - Adrian
> 
> [1]
> http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Identifier#Adopting_approach_from_medical.2Fhealth_extension
> 
>>>> On 20.1.2013 at 22:52, Niklas Lindström<lindstream@gmail.com>
> wrote: 
>> Nice! I just fixed some minor HTML syntax issues, and also changed
> the
>> full URL in the first @typeof to just the term "Book" (which, like
> the
>> second @typeof="Identifier", is bound to the given
>> @vocab="http://schema.org/").
>> 
>> (Also verified the output with the latest RDFLib.)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Niklas
>> 
>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Adrian Pohl <pohl@hbz-nrw.de>
> wrote:
>>> I started to work on your Notation3 example before having read this
> thread 
>> to the end. While being at it I put Ivan's example into the wiki. [1]
> But I 
>> left out the schema:publisher truple as this wasn't part of the
> original 
>> example and doesn't make sense.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Adrian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Identifier-2
>>> 
>>>>>> Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> 20.01.13 16.40 Uhr >>>
>>> No surprise that my examples suck :-) Should I substitute these for
>>> mine? That's fine with me.
>>> 
>>> kc
>>> 
>>> On 1/19/13 11:19 PM, Ivan Herman wrote:
>>>> Karen,
>>>> 
>>>> the example is not RDFa but microdata... Which is per se o.k., but
> the 
>> microdata->RDF conversion will not create a blank node when it sees a
> 
>> @itemprop="identifier/name" construct. Nor will RDFa, for that
> matter. The 
>> result with RDFa will be something like (I just mechanically created
> an RDFa 
>> file and ran it through my converter):
>>>> 
>>>> @prefix ns1: <http://schema.org/identifier/> .
>>>> @prefix schema: <http://schema.org/> .
>>>> 
>>>> [] a schema:Book;
>>>>     schema:author "Claude-Michel Schonberg, Alain Boublil, and
> Herbert   
>> Kretzmer.";
>>>>     schema:bookFormat schema:Paperback;
>>>>     schema:by "Hal Leonard ";
>>>>     schema:description "For Piano/Vocal. Vocal Selections. ";
>>>>     ns1:issued "Hal Leonard ";
>>>>     ns1:name "HL.114335";
>>>>     schema:name "Les Miserables. (Selections from the Movie).";
>>>>     schema:numberOfPages " 88 pages.";
>>>>     schema:publisher " Published by Hal Leonard  " .
>>>> 
>>>> which is not what you would expect:-( To do it right in HTML+RDFa
> (but, I 
>> would think, in microdata as well, it is just that I am more 'fluent'
> in 
>> RDFa) one has to something like
>>>> 
>>>> <html><body>
>>>> <div vocab="http://schema.org/" typeof="http://schema.org/Book">
>>>>    <span property="name">Les Miserables. (Selections from the
> Movie).</span>
>>>>          by <span property="author" >Claude-Michel Schonberg,
> Alain Boublil, 
>> and Herbert   Kretzmer.</span>
>>>>     <span property="description">For Piano/Vocal. Vocal
> Selections. </span>
>>>>     <l!nk property="bookFormat" 
>> href="http://schema.org/Paperback">Softcover</a>.
>>>>     <span property="numberOfPages"> 88 pages.</span>
>>>>     <span property="publisher"><span property="identifier" 
>> typeof="Identifier"><span property="issuedBy">Hal Leonard</span>,
> (<span 
>> property="name">HL.114335</span>)</span></span>
>>>> </body></html>
>>>> 
>>>> yielding
>>>> 
>>>> [] a schema:Book;
>>>>     schema:author "Claude-Michel Schonberg, Alain Boublil, and
> Herbert   
>> Kretzmer.";
>>>>     schema:bookFormat schema:Paperback;
>>>>     schema:description "For Piano/Vocal. Vocal Selections. ";
>>>>     schema:identifier [ a schema:Identifier;
>>>>             schema:issuedBy "Hal Leonard";
>>>>             schema:name "HL.114335" ];
>>>>     schema:name "Les Miserables. (Selections from the Movie).";
>>>>     schema:numberOfPages " 88 pages.";
>>>>     schema:publisher "Hal Leonard, (HL.114335)" .
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Which is not exactly the same, b.t.w., because the publisher field
> will also 
>> include the identifier stuff...
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry...:-)
>>>> 
>>>> Ivan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 24:44 , Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have added a second identifier proposal [1], much simpler than
> the first 
>> (and possibly too simple -- it is a first draft).
>>>>> 
>>>>> kc
>>>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Identifier-2
>>>>> --
>>>>> Karen Coyle
>>>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>>>>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
>>>>> m: 1-510-435-8234
>>>>> skype: kcoylenet
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----
>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Karen Coyle
>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net
>>> ph: 1-510-540-7596
>>> m: 1-510-435-8234
>>> skype: kcoylenet
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
>

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