- From: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@x-port.net>
- Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 16:49:15 +0000
- To: "Shane McCarron" <shane@aptest.com>
- Cc: "David Peterson" <david@squishyfish.com>, "Ben Adida" <ben@adida.net>, "Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org>, "W3C RDFa task force" <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>
Shane...everyone, We have to be a little careful here, though. Microformats were supposed to be about creating small sets of rules that could be applied by authors to their documents, to add semantics. The *actual* semantics were invariably gained by looking elsewhere, the so-called 'paving the cow-path' approach. So hCard came from vCard...and we disappear up our own semantic worm-holes if we now define a namespace for hCard as a vocabulary, to be used in RDFa! My take on this is that we have to unroll Microformats a little, and perhaps look at what it was intended to do in the first place--go back to first principles. It was not intended as a way to create vocabularies, but rather a way to easily document compact formats that authors could easily grok. I blogged over the weekend along these lines [1], showing how the rel-license microformat is *exactly* the same as using @rel="license" in RDFa, and I think that would be a far more productive area to look at; how far can we go in documenting and teaching people about 'micro' formats, or small bite-size pieces of RDFa. Regards, Mark [1] <http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2008/03/so-how-about-using-rdfa-in-microformats.html> On 25/03/2008, Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com> wrote: > > I think the right thing to do would be to help the owners of those > vocabularies define RDFa versions. However, given that there is no rule > about how you "define" an RDFa vocabulary, I think it is safe to say URL > http://mumblefoo maps to hCard as defined HERE. To create semantics in RDFa > documents for hCard, define a prefix and go. For example: > > <html xmlns:hc="http://mumblefoo" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> > ... > <span rel="hc:tel"> > <spal rel="hc:type">home</span> > <span rel="hc:value">+1.763.555.1212</span> > </span> > > I mean - doesn't this just work? (tm) > > > David Peterson wrote: > Hello Ben, > > That is what was what I had intended. I did not want to re-invent anything, > just wanted to highlight a XFN to RDFa mapping. I was giving an example from > the XFN microformat [1]. > > ----------------- > XFN 1.1 > rel="contact" > rel="acquaintance" > rel="friend" > rel="met" > rel="co-worker" > - snip - > ----------------- > > My example URI (http://rdfa.info/2008/03/xfn#co-worker) > probably stank, but that is why I am bringing it up here so I (we) can get > started. > > The main reason I want to kick this off is for an article I am writing for > SitePoint on how microformatters can benefit from RDFa whilst using what is > familiar. Yahoo! will only be indexing 5 of the 98 or so and FireFox 3 > parses the same 5 I believe. So, when SearchMonkey kicks in there will be a > lot of unhappy campers -- that is until we Semantify 'Em! > > So maybe XFN wasn't the best example to pick. Yahoo! will extract: hCard, > hCalendar, hReview, hAtom, and XFN. What would be a better vocab? > > Cheers, > > David > > [1] http://gmpg.org/xfn/11 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Adida [mailto:ben@adida.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 26 March 2008 1:25 AM > To: David Peterson > Cc: 'Shane McCarron'; 'Ivan Herman'; 'W3C RDFa task force' > Subject: Re: Community outreach with a cheat sheet! > > David Peterson wrote: > > > http://rdfa.info/2008/03/xfn#co-worker > > I'd prefer if we worked on re-using existing vocabularies rather than > re-inventing them wholesale :) But, of course, the beauty of RDFa is > that I have no say :) > > -Ben > > > > > -- > Shane P. McCarron Phone: +1 763 786-8160 x120 > Managing Director Fax: +1 763 786-8180 > ApTest Minnesota Inet: shane@aptest.com > > > -- Mark Birbeck mark.birbeck@x-port.net | +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 http://www.x-port.net | http://internet-apps.blogspot.com x-port.net Ltd. is registered in England and Wales, number 03730711 The registered office is at: 2nd Floor Titchfield House 69-85 Tabernacle Street London EC2A 4RR
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