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Re: prov-family is ready

From: Curt Tilmes <Curt.Tilmes@nasa.gov>
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:37:35 -0400
Message-ID: <517EA1CF.8060200@nasa.gov>
To: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
CC: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
IMHO, if someone asks a conneg system for SVG, they know what they are 
asking for,
so we might as well give it to them..

How we handle this sets precedent for later and for others.

How would you like some future system distributing PROV to work?

Curt

On 04/29/2013 12:29 PM, Timothy Lebo wrote:
> Ivan,
>
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 18:12 , Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Ivan,
>>>
>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 17:55 , Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think we would need the following:
>>>>> Are you planning to provide svg through content negotiation too?
>>>>>
>>>> I do not think so; it would not fit the conneg stuff (unless you add the RDF/XML content into the metadata of SVG, or you put the content as RDFa…).
>>> How does providing an SVG not fit the "conneg stuff"?
>> Well... conneg means the same information expressed by different means.
> Agreed.
>
>> I am not sure a graphical representation of the provenance (RDF) graph really qualifies…
> I do :-)
>
>> But I can be convinced.
> You said it yourself, "graphical **representation**" (my emphasis).
> The fact that it's graphical does not change the fact that it's a representation.
>
> Whether it be TXT, HTML, XML, RDF, or SVG; content is conveyed by a concrete representation, a set of signs within a particular sign system.
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
>
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>>> -Tim
>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Ivan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Luc
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/29/2013 04:37 PM, Ivan Herman wrote:
>>>>>> Luc,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to be sure that I do not mess up something. At the moment, each file is redirected to its own thing. Ie, the .htaccess file looks like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RewriteEngine On
>>>>>> RewriteBase /2011/prov/provenance
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dm.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dm.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-n.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-n.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-o.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-o.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-constraints.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-constraints.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-links.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-links.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-primer.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-primer.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dictionary.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dictionary.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-aq.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-aq.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dc.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dc.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-implementations.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-implementations.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-overview.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-overview.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-xml.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-xml.ttl [R]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> do you mean to say that, instead, all should redirect to the same file, except for prov-o, but the redirection should also happen for provn, provx, and svg?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because this is quite some work (I also have to do this for the .var files), which is fine, it is just that I want to be sure this is exactly what you want...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To make things complete, I would also add an rdf file, b.t.w. If you can generate that, too...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about prov-o? At the moment, I see only a ttl file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also: the SVG file begins by:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> width="1152pt" height="267pt"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, I would remove those. What happens is that, with those attributes, the SVG file never scales. It always tries to display it with those dimensions which is crazy; if you have a retina display, for example (which I do not:-( then it will not scale to the full screen. Removing those will work, because there is also a viewport argument (this is a mistake most of the SVG generators do:-(
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 16:08 , Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Paul, Ivan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> prov-family is available in its various formats at:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.ttl
>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.provn
>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.provx
>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.svg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The provx and ttl versions still need curating.
>>>>>>> When the working group finishes its activities, the date also need to be updated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However,  they can already be made available for tomorrow's release.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We agreed that:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-xxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is to be redirected, after content negotiation, to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.[ttl,provn,provx]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for all specs, except prov-o.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Luc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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>> ----
>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>> mobile: +31-641044153
>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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